As we discussed yesterday, it’s very possible that the brain trust over at Kensington Palace wants to see the Sussexes exiled at some point very soon. The story originated from a reliable outlet, the London Times, and the journalists had multiple sources confirming that yes, Prince William and his people have been talking to Buckingham Palace courtiers about the possibility of exiling the Sussexes for a few years or maybe just six months. Australia and Canada were thrown out, and apparently William now wants to exile the Sussexes in an African country, tbd. Hours later, the conversation shifted and suddenly all of the British tabloids agreed to frame the story as “Harry wants to move away and William agrees, but it will cost a lot and it’s all Meghan’s fault.” Or something. No one is buying that sh-t. So… it will be interesting to see what happens to this story in the days and weeks to come. People Magazine already has some coverage of it, with some new details:
David Manning — the former British ambassador to the U.S. and adviser to Harry and his brother Prince William — has proposed a plan for the couple to “take on an international position that could build on their work for the Commonwealth,” reports the Sunday Times.
The couple both hold roles within the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust — Harry is President and Meghan is Vice-President.
“This is a 1000-year-old monarchy overseeing a Commonwealth of 54 territories. Lots of people depend on its existence and continued success,” a source tells PEOPLE. “Eventually Harry and Meghan will be dispatched somewhere.”
While the Sunday Times says their move to Africa would be for two to three years, ITV claims that it would be more like a few months. The plan is in very early stages and a decision is not expected until 2020, which gives Meghan and Harry time to settle into life as a family of three at Frogmore Cottage. Claims that the Africa plan came about in order to put distance between the two couples has also been refuted. While there is tension between the brothers (they didn’t speak during Easter celebrations and arrived separately), the plan is likely more of a response to their different roles within the royal family.
“William and Kate are completely in transition as he prepares to take over as the Prince of Wales,” the source adds. “Their life together is all about preparing to be in charge, which is a significant reason for the wall between them and Harry and Meghan.”
“Their life together is all about preparing to be in charge, which is a significant reason for the wall between them and Harry and Meghan.” That makes zero sense. William and Kate aren’t preparing to be in charge, they should be preparing to be Prince and Princess of Wales, which A) they’re not doing sh-t to prepare for that and B) they still wouldn’t be “in charge” of the royal family. Even if they were keen to really prepare for the PoW roles, that still doesn’t explain why they’ve put up a “wall” separating themselves from the Sussexes. But this is ominous too: “Eventually Harry and Meghan will be dispatched somewhere.” Literally none of the Queen’s children lived abroad for any length of time (beyond military service). Edward, Anne, Charles and Andrew were never tasked with temporarily living in a commonwealth country, even though Charles reportedly wanted to spend several years in Australia when he and Diana were first married. Why would Harry and Meghan suddenly NEED to be sent to a commonwealth country to live indefinitely again? Because William is a f–king brat?
Photos courtesy of Avalon Red.
Why is everyone (except those here) so blind to the fact that Charles will be King before William? Seriously this makes no sense. Wills is jealous of little bro and having a fit, and making himself, and by extension the Monarchy, look like asses because of it.
Thank you. Charles will be King, and William will be Prince of Wales. And if the Queen’s longevity is any indication, they will be in those positions for a while. Really, who is running PR for them?? This is getting to be ridiculous now.
Windsor men do not have the same longevity as the women do. I’ve often wondered if Charles’ health is an issue. He often looks unwell. Maybe they know something we don’t.
@Monicack I mean ….. Philip’s still kicking.
As is the Duke of Kent.
Phil? I’m referring to Charles’ maternal line. The DoK is doing well but seems to be the exception.
I never thought Charles would out live his mother. Both the Duke of Kent and Prince Phillip are descendants of Christian of Denmark and Danish George I of Greece. Male longevity runs in the Danish Royal Family
I don’t know. There was recently a mini-do about Charles & Camilla’s beach pictures and they both looked pretty good.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. We aren’t discussing the “Turnip Toft Affair” amymore.
Just want to say here no-one knows if William will be Prince of Wales. It is not an automatic title. Charles will have to confer it on him.
Seriously, it’s like people have forgotten (or are choosing to ignore) the fact that Wills isn’t the next in line, he’s the dude after the next in line. Barring anything happening to Prince Charles, of course, but yeah…this is getting ridiculous.
Seriously, why isn’t Charles stepping in? Isn’t he “quite fond” of Meghan? How can he stand by and A. Let his son overstep him so publicly, and B. Allow Meghan to be dragged like this when she’s basically in labor.
Charles probably doesn’t want to deal with William.
Didn’t Charles ask Harry and Meghan to leave his garden party last year a few days after their wedding? I’m not sure why he had them escorted out. I don’t think Charles is as nice as people believe.
Excellent update from Omid Scobie at Harpers Bazaar, in which his “source” is clearly Meghan: “Aside from the Queen and Prince Charles, they’re not looking to other family members, or their teams, for guidance.” Boom.
(Also, odd use of “embryonic’ is a dead giveaway that this is coming from Meg)
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a27231716/meghan-markle-prince-harry-work-in-africa/
“Didn’t Charles ask Harry and Meghan to leave his garden party last year a few days after their wedding? I’m not sure why he had them escorted out. I don’t think Charles is as nice as people believe.”
@Elena, Did the above really happen or are people now believing the trash written on the “Harry Markle” website?
@FC Scobie is the only RR that seems to have actual sources in the Sussex camp.
@Elena – I had never heard that about the garden party. My guess is that if anything, Charles told them to leave because they had literally gotten married 2 days before and he was probably like, “go relax and have some fun, you don’t have to stay here just for me.” We saw them with Charles again at Ascot and the trooping and they all seemed to get along really well.
@FC – yup. Those quotes are from Meghan. She is clearly making the point that William has no say in her life with Harry, at this moment.
No, Charles didn’t order them out of the garden party. Take it back to tumblr.
Elena, I’ve never heard that and if it was true it’d be huge news. And frankly the fact it’s coming from you makes me automatically not believe it.
@FC, or someone is using the word embryonic because they have figured out Meg’s style of speech, and want us to think it’s coming from her. A lot of people made the leap easily because of that single word.
Charles did not have them escorted out of his garden party, 70th birthday party, last year. He was thrilled they were there, and oddly William and Kate were not there…just like they wouldn’t vacation with Charles, Harry & Meghan in Scotland.
@MeganBot not sure what you mean by “coming from you” as I rarely comment
Charles has a ‘difficult’ relationship with his sons, especially William, and like the Queen he likes to avoid direct confrontation. He will also not be at all happy that the ‘rumours’ mean that his own infidelities and Camillagate, which his PR have done well to put in the distance, are likely to boomerang back into the public consciousness.
Agreed. Will is suffering from jealousy and has for some time. Or rather, he doesn’t like being compared negatively against his go-getter little brother.
Working theory:
Perhap QEII and PoW (or more likely their courtiers) recognize that Wills is becoming increasingly unmanageable despite pushing 40. They are resigned to letting him “learn from the natural consequences” of his actions. If he can. That is, they know that with these tactics, Wills comes off as petty, lazy, bitchy and bigoted. Also deeply entitled and socially inept.
Way to win hearts & minds, eh? Howwould the Queen of Hearts react?
Could it be that this whole story about sending Harry and Meghan to the colonies is just a distraction from the affair shenanigans?
We should be glad he only wants to send them overseas. In the past an insecure would have dispatched a brother to the tower.
European monarchy installing itself in Africa? This whole story sounds like some weird colonizer sh*t.
The optics are terrible. A piece of me is wondering if Harry and Meghan were testing out if they could buy a vacation house in Africa and William seized on it to exile them.
Ha! Seriously. This entire situation between then is so bizarre to me. I used to just be meh about the Cambridge’s. They never worked but wanted all the perks of being royal but I gave some credit to Will for marrying a commoner and the woman he dated for years instead of dumping her for some aristo. It was like a mediocre fairy tale. Now though after all this crap just because of one woman who dares to do things her own way and in the process makes the Cambridge’s, mainly Kate, look pretty lame I find them extremely obnoxious and immature.
They know people adore them and they know the press will cover for them so why are they being such babies? Just let the Sussex’s do their own thing. It’s not like there is a vote for who gets to be next in line, it’s a done deal. The Cambridge’s position isn’t under threat, they will be PoW and eventually K and Q so why all this none sense? M is a completely different person so of course she has taken her role in a completely different direction. K never gave/gives speeches and seems to hate it, M is a trained actress so if they (William) are acting like her preparedness and comfortability within this public role caught them all by surprise they are either lying, idiots, or highly underestimated how far a little personality and relatability can endear you to people. I do realize this is probably all Will being jealous.
To me, the Cambridge’s always seemed a little cold and just not personable. Like if you were given the opportunity to have dinner with them it would be very much “them” and you and not much fun. The Sussex’s just seem fun and like you could sit down for a meal with them and feel like they are friends and not royalty. Idk this went on long then I intended but it’s just crazy to me that adults in these positions are acting like kindergarteners on the playground and doing it to their own freakin family.
You just have to look at the different body language when they attend events. Harry and Meghan always look as if they are delighted to be there and thrilled to be meeting the people attending; William and Kate always look as if they are there under duress and are counting the minutes until they can leave.
The talk about exiling the Sussex family right now looks pretty bad. Baby isnt even birthed yet and William wants him/her on the road. THAT is going to backfire.
Yup. I think willie has been watching too much GOT and thinks he’s some genius mastermind.
These people are scary AF.
If William is not in charge why is this his decision?
I don’t understand this either. Completely dumbfounded that Chuck is allowing this because he is the one who will be in charge, not Wills.
Charles HATED that Diana outshined him and he became a shadow. I also think Charles would take the brother’s fighting and use it to frame this around Will. He liked the publicity he got on the wedding day, but that’s gone now. Will and Kate are happy to be low key, Harry and Meghan want to do stuff and be seen doing it, thus eclipsing Charles. Charles was the one to release tiara gate, and what Meghan wants Meghan gets. Why everyone still thinks he’s innocent and the 2nd in line who works 4 days a year is able to pull this off is shocking to me.
There is zero evidence that Charles leaked tiara gate or anything else. William is perfectly capable of telling David Case (William’s private secretary) to leak this story to the Sunday Times, which makes sense, since Case is quoted in the story.
Charles hasn’t been able to control William for years so I don’t know how he could stop William from getting his secretary to give quotes to a journalist. If he could control William, then William would be working on the Princes Trust at this point, which he has failed to do. And William would be doing far more engagements because Charles clearly ascribes to doing a lot of bread and butter engagements, as do all the Queen’s children.
@Tina, it was Charles’ biographer who put out several “stories” that didn’t make it into his book about “Prince Charles at 70” (or some such title). They went directly to the tabs. That was at the beginning of this debacle.
@TheOG – yes, it was Charles’s biographer (by all accounts, some of this stuff is starting to blend together for me over the past few months) but we still don’t know that the leaks were sanctioned by Charles. I thought tiara-gate was actually widely attributed to Andrew.
” Will and Kate are happy to be low key, ” Is low key the new description for lazy?
@Tina Except for the fact that it makes zero sense for them to leak the story in that way. It’s even more believable that these leaks come from the Sussexes’ camp,in the way they were framed as the victims of a plan concocted by the courtiers and the bitter brother because they are too powerful for all of them to handle (!!),and not that Simon Case want him to be depicted as jealous and insecure because M&H are really really powerful (if that wasn’t clear!)
@VI it makes perfect sense for William to leak the story because he has no knowledge about how modern PR works and is unbelievably lazy. I honestly couldn’t give a toss where the leaks or the stories come from. If William actually cared about mending his reputation, he’d do some work, which would sort it out straight away. Yes, Harry and Meghan are becoming a global brand (through, frankly, relatively little effort), but William and Kate could easily rival it if they would get off their arses and do more work.
(And the stories were actually really insulting to Meghan, most people who have read them like her and have glossed over that part, but there is no way in hell they originated with the Sussexes).
There is no way that Harry and Meghan would talk about going “somewhere in Africa” because it’s incredibly racist to exile the biracial duchess to Africa and at the very least Meghan wouldn’t be so stupid. The Scobie article is from their camp and denounces the moving to Africa for a few years pretty clearly. Shipman has worked with Case before and the link is to William not Harry or Meghan. It’s possible Shipman went rogue in the second article but the first one was bad enough with all the exile talk.
No,it doesn’t make sense at all to leak a story where you obviously come off as bitter and unsecure,because your brother is getting more popular than you.
Simon Case is simply mentioned as a link in potential talks with the government,and he’s mentioned as the one who is supporting William in this “preparation” for the future roles.
But the article CLEARLY states that allegedly these discussions are happening among the Queen’s collaborators,senior officials,and the former British ambassador to US.
And Scobie doesn’t even deny that there are discussions about a short period abroad, because evidently it’s true that these talks are happening,and it’s not William drawing plans alone at KP..
We don’t know how these talks have started and which is the real situation “in the palace” (BP) ,so yes, it would make sense leaking a story with a specific “victims of the evil courtiers and brother” spin .
But imo it’s even more likely that probably * someone else* wants to create antagonism at any cost.
I think the real truth is in the middle. The Sussexes have probably expressed interest in following initiatives abroad,and a lot of the more senior palace officials don’t like them.
@VI, the article specifically refers to William as resenting Harry and being reassured by Case that this is “peak Harry” and William is the future king. Whatever the truth about the abroad plan, someone is leaking about William’s petulance.
I agree that this isn’t William’s decision to make. As I’ve said before William does not have the power to ‘exile’ anyone. That is like saying Charles currently has the power to exile Andrew & send him overseas which he doesn’t.
Trying to make William out to be the most powerful person in the royal family ahead of his grandmother & father is pure fanfiction!
No it’s more like “Will-fiction” since he seems to be the one scurrying around making plans for other people’s lives!
It isn’t. Clearly WK are disliked in these parts (though it’s oddly refreshing to see it aimed at Willy instead of always Kate) so we are overlooking TQ and Charles. William has never had the power (or ambition) ascribed to him in the last few weeks.
I don’t why you are acting like the people here are just making things up. This is mentioning what William and his team ( andnow apparently a former Ambassador) is planning for his brother and his wife. And some think if true it’s stupid.
William may not have the power but it doesn’t mean that he wouldn’t be willing to use what influence he has on those who would make it happen.
Uh, it’s not us; it’s the tabloids.
I can only speak for myself. I do not have a problem with Cathy Cambridge and see her very differently than most posters on this site. If the Rose Hanbury-Turnip Toffgate stuff is true then I really have much sympathy for her.
I like Kate a lot. She made her choices, and she lives with them. She doesn’t pretend to be what she isn’t, and she loves being with her family. She supports her husband even when he doesn’t deserve it, but a lot of couples do that. If he cheated, she knew he would. It’s kind of like Wendy Williams, who was reportedly in an open marriage with the understanding that it could be open as long as Kevin was discreet, but the mistress didn’t cooperate, so he got dumped and he money has vanished until a court can help him get some of it back. Wendy staying through everything until her PI confirmed there was a baby make the open marriage agreement ring true.
The first report also mentions Lord Geidt who is one of the closest’ Queen’s collaborators. Simon Case was supposed to be just a link in the talks with some government prominent figures. Again,we’re overlooking what the actual stort says.
William’s ambition, as described in the story, seems remarkably accurate: it is to get rid of his brother and his annoyingly popular wife, and to continue doing pretty much no work until it is time to be king. This is entirely in keeping with what we know of William thus far.
Geidt has been pushed out by Charles and Andrew and is trying to come back into the circle, but he is no longer one of the Queen’s closest advisors. Besides BP said the articles were speculation. Case is the only one still currently employed by a royal and it’s with William. The stupidity about being a GG to Canada or Australia would not be coming from someone with any working knowledge of diplomacy since WWI and there is only one camp so historically ignorant. It’s not the Queen or Charles.
None of William, Charles, or even the Queen have the power to create a position for the Sussexes unilaterally. If it were a British diplomatic position, it would have to be done in conjunction with the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office. If it were a Commonwealth position, it would have to be done in conjunction with the Commonwealth organisation. And if it were with a foreign government, obviously, the foreign government would need to be involved.
As before, the Queen and Charles know this. William does not, necessarily.
It’s not his decision and no one is allowing him to do anything.
Are H&M in Africa? No. Have any concrete plans emerged? No. Does the FO know anything about it? No. Is there the slightest indication it will ever happen? A big fat no.
Wills can leak fantasy statements to the press about being in charge all he likes, doesn’t make them true.
I don’t think it is his decision because I don’t think any of this is true. It sounds like complete BS and doesn’t make sense for so many reasons. People keep saying that the angles of these stories is to bring down Meghan but I think they seem more like they’re to make William and Kate look like the ones with the problem. I think they’re much more smart and subtle than just ‘it’s all Meghan’s fault’.
Hummmm….I wonder if Big Willie is really trying to bypass Chuck. Could that be why Will and Harry are beefing? Maybe the Cambridges really are making a play for the throne?
Would be the most interesting thing they’ve ever done.
Ohhh I didn’t even think that was in the realm of possibility! But if that is what they are doing … Wow
That really would make all this talk worth something. Otherwise, why?
William has never seemed like he wants to be King though. Even Harry has admitted nobody wants the job.
William wants the private wealth that comes with being monarch, inheriting the private estates and most of the Windsor cash. Another way he is like the Duke of Windsor.
Not a possibility. Plus Will doesn’t want to work. Why would he skip over Prince of Wales to take on more work as King when he can put it off for another 30+ years.
I would say 20+ years at the most.
So he’s going to sit on his ass for another 20+ years waiting, and then when he becomes King he will continue to sit on his ass. Rough life he has mapped out.
@Rapunzel – you can’t “make a play” to leapfrog onto the throne. Here’s what happens: Even if the Queen wanted to change her successor, she doesn’t have the power to do so. It’s against the law, specifically the 1701 Act of Settlement, which requires that a monarch’s heir must be a direct successor and a Protestant. Prince Charles fits the bill on both accounts. Since Parliament instituted that act (and the Queen has no power over political laws) Parliament would need to be the one to change it. Charles would have to abdicate after he took over the throne and we all know the likelihood of that happening is zero.
This is all so very weird. How, after all this time, is the royal family still SO BAD at PR??
I don’t get that either but I guess they don’t think the optics look bad. Racists will be racist. It truly seems to come down to that. And somewhere in there William’s fragile ego but I do think mostly racism.
This is something that I keep coming back to with so many of these stories. Why are they so bad at this?!?!? Don’t they have professional PR people? No one should have contacted Richard Kay or threatened “legal action” over the rose hanbury story. Just let it blow over. No one should have leaked this story in such an ass backwards way. etc.
I keep thinking of the Queen and the gold piano story at Christmas. It was pretty bad, but she kept quiet and let it blow over, and everyone moved on. THAT is how you deal with a crisis (and it’s also important to remember that even HM is not immune from criticism). (And BP is being kind of amazing – they’re allowing a Prom this summer at the Royal Albert Hall with that piano, it’s the first time it will have ever been played outside of BP.)
William thinks he is a PR genius and Jason Knauf doesn’t have the power to tell him no. Hence the Kay story, the legal threats and Daily Beast article about the threats and now this exile Harry and Meghan “somewhere in Africa” story.
Why does it surprise anyone that the British RF are so bad at PR?
I’ve said this many times before, but honestly, take a good look at the sorts of people who they have been raised around, associate with, and hire for these positions.
They’re hardly working class Janes from Manchester. They’re Eton/Harrow and Oxbridge educated upper to upper-middle class individuals. The fact that they’re terrible, out of touch with the common people, have no awareness of optics, and furthermore just INCREDIBLY mediocre at what they do is par for the course. You’re talking about people who are barely a few acquaintances removed from the David Cameron and George Osbornes of the world. I speak from experience when I say that these people and these circles have no intellectual curiosity about anything, no desire to know or even an understanding of why they SHOULD know the nuances of PR. And moreover, they have the sheer audacity to be dismissive of people like Meghan, who WOULD know a thing or two about this stuff, given her background. We know for a fact that William and whoever he consults or trusts his PR work to is just bad at it. So why is this surprising to anyone, really?
If I were a member of the BRF, I would hire (under the table of course) Piers Morgan to direct my PR because, love him or hate him, he understands tabloid journalism and social media inside-out and upside-down. As we say in the USA: It is stupid to bring a knife to a gun fight. LOL! LOL! Jason Knauf is a knife and Piers Morgan is a semi-automatic AK-47 assault rifle. LOL! LOL!
Is Charles deas and no one is telling us? How is the heir to the throne being completely overlooked in this garbage stories?? Why is no one questioning William’s obvious hubris? He will not be in charge. He will be Prince of Wales. His FATHER will be King
With every passing day it feels like The Windsors is an increasingly accurate glimpse into the royal reality.
Every time I see a story like this I think it makes William look even worse. The bar is so low for him, but this makes me question his fitness to be King ever….
See, this is what makes me think that Charles is allowing all of this i.e. Let wills play the PR mastermind he believes he is, then when he effs it all up, Charles gets to step in and reassure everyone, smooth ruffled feathers etc. Then Charleslooks great, and Wills looks like an idiot. Chatles does love the good PR coming his way.
Did I miss something?? (Entirely possible, btw). It’s obvious, to me anyway, that Charles likes Meghan wayyy more than Kate and he’s next in line to the throne. Whiny Wills is such a limp noodle.
And a toe, an ugly toe. Ugh.
I hate to be negative but I will since this is a gossip site I will.
But I really worry about a King William hivrm how lazy he is now.
Like all the work the Queen, Prince Philip, Prince Charles and Princess Anne etc all washed away once William becomes king.
Hopefully I’m wrong. Maybe him and Kate will pick up the pace.
I mean, it’s possible. But it’s also possible things will change over the next 20-30 years.
I’m not saying I expect Will to suddenly become super work addicted or anything, but a lot can change with the loss of family members. Sometimes it takes a big life event to shock the system. I know there are people at all stages of life that go through something that really makes them reassess the things that they’re doing. I doubt he’ll EVER be as vibrant and hardworking as her Majesty, but it’s so many years away – who knows. Maybe if Kate picks up her pace, he’ll get more interested. Or maybe some of his laziness is knowing that he’s only the heir to the heir at the moment. Maybe he’ll get some therapy and work through whatever issues he’s got going on. Who knows.
I’m not holding my breathe, but I’m also not quite to the point that I expect everything to just burn to the ground, either.
FWIW, Queen Victoria was very worried that Edward would be a terrible sovereign, and they never got along because of his carousing. He loved his wine and women, leisure travel, despite having a beautiful wife at home (Queen Alexandra). He was the Hugh Hefner of the princely set in Europe. But Edward VII turned out to be pretty good at the king-thing. So maybe Bill & Cathy are keeping their eyes on the prize.
And, maybe this is all Harry’s idea? He hates the press, he’s the opposite of a fame-whore. Maybe he wants a couple of years of hands-on volunteering with Sentebale and Tusk Trust, and flying to an African country for a 3 day visit once or twice a month?
If that’s the plan, the planning for the plan will take a few years. Security, agreements with the local nation-states, etc will have to be considered. Also, the baby will need all the immunizations completed before traveling to sub-Saharan Africa. If mum and dads are going to visit third world areas, they could be carriers of diseases, so the baby needs to be fully immunized.
If William and Kate do not want to be overshadowed by Harry and Meghan, there is only one solution for them : work. William seems to behaving like a capricious child. Privilege comes with duty.
Will and Kate dont want to work so they have a big problem.
They have only picked up the pace lately due to the lightening that is Team Sussex.
I’ve mentioned this before, but it is it possible that the reason that Harry and Wills have adopted the Mental Health initiatives is due to their own personal battles? Harry has recently been public with his anxiety and long term grief over his mother’s death. But I think Will has his own private battles, which might explain the 2 months he was not on the schedule for the Helo Rescue Squad.
Depression runs in my own family, and I have to wonder about William and the pressure of being under the microscope, losing his mother at 15, etc.
I love that they are preparing to be in charge by doing absolutely nothing other than reportedly greenlighting the media to abuse MM for shits and giggles. And no matter how the framing of the story changes they still look like asses as does the RF.
Brilliant strategy. It amazes me how inept these idiots are over at KP.
“Dispatched”; “Shipped off to.”
I read both Harry and Meghan have had multiple meetings with Chatham House (the Royal Inst of International Affairs) this year. Which is uncommon unless they were planning a big international mission.
I honestly thought this trip was a BS story that was something that was brought up and dismissed but looks like it’s an active project. Although given her citizen application, 6 months at a time makes a lot more sense. I know US process only allows 6 months a year out of country in the early phase. But the whole thing is just so weird.
My early complaint about Harry and Meghan was I wish they would have taken more local tours (obviously not now due to baby), but i figured introducing her across GB in the little nooks and crannies would really help her know the people, and the people would know her more than tabloid gossip – they’d see her, meet her, and be won over. So having them focus the next few years on ONLY the commonwealth as GB pays the bill will make them not so popular with their actual ‘subjects’. I think this is a big mistake. Once the Queen passes the monarchy will be on its last leg, having poor ratings and family members unpopular will hurt them all. Capitalize on interest, don’t throw it away.
This seems a very well considered and sensible assessment, Eliza. Thanks for a fresh POV.
I think the idea was supposed to be that W&K would do the local stuff and H&M would go abroad. Plus it’s just the first year, give them time.
Eliza – great points about Visa considerations, and a 6 month stint being the most likely. I thought we were told that Harry wanted to introduce Meghan to the different regions of the UK. Not sure if they plan to do more, or feel they accomplished that.
The Sussexes have been all over the UK before and after marriage and have had rapturous welcomes.
Yeah, this makes no sense. The King or Queen position is basically ceremonial, they pass no laws and can start no wars. Dont declare nothing that actually effects people so what is he “preparing” for that makes him need to be this way? This is all Will’s ego.
William is a real pill.
Totally agree. He really doesn’t have to do any preparation. The work that needs to be done will be done by the people who really do it, and those people will tell the royals where they need to be and what they need to do when they get there. Only one member of the BRF has an essential job, and Charles will be the next one to have that job and he is well-prepared for it, having actually been working hard for the last 40 or so years on important projects like the Prince’s Trust and the other things he has taken an active interest in. The rest is non-essential window-dressing. Even the job of monarch essentially just amounts to ratifying what the real, elected government has already done. William is an arrogant fool, and dangerous because he thinks he’s important and smart.
He should be preparing for lots of ceremonial appearances, handshaking, and ribbon cutting which he is NOT preparing for at all given how little of the royal daily grind he actually takes on.
It absolutely is about William’s ego, and it really started to worry him when Meghan had so much success with Grenfell which started out as his opportunity to shine as he first visited with The Queen. When Harry and Meghan were named as a super couple by I think Time 100, that must have been another blow, as so far I don’t recall William being on any list for anything, unlike Prince Charles.
I can see a big commissioned magazine article coming on at some time, to try to rehabilitate William after all of this mess.
This is looking like a serious, sustained campaign from the courtiers… the grey men want her out. It’s starting to sound like “an offer they can’t refuse” – go, or else. Maybe in the transfer of power from the Queen to Charles some of the more racist and scheming courtiers could be pensioned off …or transferred to a rewarding overseas post? 😉
Are they seriously doubling down on this ridiculous story? The optics look bad all the way around.
All of this has me very confused. How in the world would this be allowed???? It’s all very perplexing and makes me wonder what can be going on underneath the surface.
Sending Megs and Harry away doesn’t help in the least. It’s no longer 1820 or 1920, out of sight out of mind no longer applies with social media in this day and age.
And I have a feeling that Harry and Meg, if they do go to Africa, will do so well that they will have greater popularity then had they stayed in England. Hasn’t the British monarchy learned that they can’t control people and dim certain people??? It only makes them look bad in the end. But history does repeat itself, unfortunately.
Yeah, this idea that they would be “banished” to Africa is absurd. They have cameras and the internet in Africa!
There have already been pictures of Harry helping vets treating large wild animals while he’s been on short trips to Africa. So now there would be regular pictures of Harry, Meghan, and Little Baby Sussex playing with baby elephants at a rescue, or out with lots of people in a village, or at a new school, or….. It would be like a continuous version of their wildly successfully South Pacific trip.
This idea of “banishment” is just silly.
As I said yesterday this is about William exerting control over the Sussex’s to put them down as they r a threat to his fragile ego. Plus he’s punishing Harry for being his own man who is putting his new family first before his bratty brother.
It seems to me that William thinks when he is PoW that he will be in charge of the Sussex’s. He’s wrong it will be Charles and they will be funded by the Sovereign Grant not the Duchy of Cornwall that funds the Cambridge’s.
Harry and Meghan’s move to Buckingham Palace for PR makes even more sense now, including how it happened mid-year and is jointly funded by HM and Charles. By next year, we may see their expenses coming out of the Sovereign Grant not the Duchy. HM and Charles protecting Harry and Meghan from W&K.
I agree, @Nota. This story makes it clear why the split happened when it did.
Yes Nota, I agree with your take on the split, timing.
Harry is a millionaire with 35m. From Diana he doesn’t have to go anywhere nor does he have to work for this toxic family. Do they not realize the optics if he just says sorry too much abuse about my wife, I quit. He and Megan can do and live where they want. And perhaps with this amount of racism directed at Megan they should just walk away.
It’s possible he already wants to do that. I’ve thought so. I think he and MM do want to live somewhere else for a while.
I really think Harry hasn’t left for his grandmother and possibly Charles. After they pass, I think he’s gone.
Along these lines, I am rethinking what I posted below about Harry and Meghan maybe wanting to live somewhere else for a while -I don’t think they would do that before the Queen passes.
Poor Harry. He finally grew up, got a great wife and helpmate to work very hard for the Monarchy and he was positive everybody would be so happy for him. He is going to be erased from the Royal Family either sooner or later, William is telling them right out and Harry doesn’t have any vocational skills that I know of to keep his family the way he is used to and as an actress Meghan goes from job to job. I feel so sorry for them, and Wills will have no one to do his work without out shining him.
Why is Bill so sure he’ll be a king? Charles comes first and as someone above mentioned he’ll probably be on the position for like 20 years 🙂 buuut; what if the island nation decides to get rid of them? That’s totally possible. They own soooo much land, cost a lot… sure they are a tourist attraction but just saying- once the queen is no longer here I doubt they’d be loved or as wanted. Everyone loves Granny. The others? Meh, who cares
I agree. I think we will probably see Charles become King once the Queen dies, but I reckon the monarchy is done for after that. It is too antiquated an institution.
I don’t think the idea of them going somewhere else to live for a few months is that crazy, in itself. Especially if they have charitable interests in some other countries, buckling down there for a few months may be more beneficial than a 2 day tour or whatever. Sure, none of the Queen’s children have done that, but it may have been something that Harry and Meghan were discussing with the Queen and Charles for their own reasons.
The issue is now, if they do that, it will definitely look like William banished them to another country because of his ego and insecurities. Whoever leaked this story, with the initial spin on it that made William look so bad, did a huge disservice to the royal family and Harry and Meghan (IF we assume that the situation is more what I described above, something that is completely Harry and Meghan’s choice for various reasons.)
If I pull my tinfoil hat down really tight, I can almost see a situation where H&M wanted to go “somewhere” for maybe 6 months or a year, to still work but in a different capacity (maybe more hands on, like they have done before in Botswana, fewer coatdresses), and someone in the BRF did not like that idea, so they leaked this story to basically make it impossible for them to move now, because it would seem like an exile or banishment, even if that’s not what it ever was.
Everyone here knows I am not a William fan, but like others have said, he doesn’t actually have the power to “banish” H&M anywhere. And even if the Queen wanted to, it would not be as simple as waving her hand.
Anyway – so I think there is some truth to this story, but I’m not sure what that truth is. I do think the initial reporting and subsequent spin do indicate that there is truth to the part about William being jealous of Harry and Meghan’s popularity.
I think you’re right. This was probably discussed, Will got wind of it, didn’t like it, so had it put out there with the messy spin and therefore making it nearly impossible to happen now.
The royal reporters that work for the papers that Will already works with are already talking about costs.
Your theory makes a lot of sense. Her commitment to girls education would fit in with work outside of the UK. It would dovetail in some African’s countries with Harry’s conservation work and his desire to expand Sentebale.
Them being in one place for 4-6 weeks isn’t that different from a set of 3 week tours, and easier to organize and secure. Similar to Harry spending a month or more in Botswana and Lesotho in the summer, which he did even before meeting Meghan. It may have been them wanting to increase the amount of work done during those trips, which triggered someone’s jealousy/resentment. It served William for people to think Harry was lolling around on vacation during those times, not in another country doing charity work.
I had actually forgotten about Harry’s extended stays in Botswana and Lesotho. That fits in then with the idea of them going somewhere for an extended “stay.” Who knows at this point though.
I’m with you, @Becks1. I actually think H&M are/were totally down with this plan. Harry has done a version of this before, he spent like 4 months in Botswana in I think the summer of 2016? They called it a “private” trip, but obviously he still had security with him. And I think Meg would be into it too (think of the Insta pics!), maybe not for years but certainly a few months at a time. It wasn’t Africa but when the Cambridge kids were young and before they were in school the Cambridges were off living their “normal” life in Norfolk for large swaths at a time. Plus they have been hitting the commonwealth thing VERY hard with these two basically from day 1. So this doesn’t seem like that far-fetched of a plan. I think Harry’s snit on Easter had more to do with how the story was originally framed, that he and Meghan were being sent away, that this was a way to “control” them. Some of the original quotes made them look a bit like petulant children. Harry’s big blind spot in the whole media war is that he tends to be somewhat myopic about his coverage and he mostly fails to see the larger picture or how things can be spun to benefit his other family members. I don’t agree with the idea that someone leaked this story because they don’t want them to go, though. I think they started putting this idea out there now, so that when they actually do it a year from now people will be used to the idea and will have gotten over their objections to the cost.
Yeah, I’ve said before that I can get a little tinoil hat-y about some things, lol. I just cant figure out what the point of the original story about this was, it made William look really bad, and it seemed to come from him, considering some of the people quoted in it.
Despite the tinfoil, I honestly think that idea makes the most sense.
It lines up with what I understand of their interests, and it would make MUCH more sense that a leak from W would be to prevent it from happening than to actually banish them. Because honestly – he can’t. At the end of the day, he doesn’t have power to banish them at all. It’d make more sense if I’m going to believe that all the leaks are from W, that he’d rather keep them tied down instead of seeing them branch out.
I wonder if Will doesn’t want Harry going abroad cause he wishes it was him instead? Or because he’s gonna be forced to work more? Many possibilities.
I think the truth is that it’s Charles. I think he was behind the smear campaign and I think he killed two birds with one stone by framing the Cambridges. In the beginning of the smear, they smelled like roses, but it turned over time. Then stuff started coming out about the Cambridges and many thought is was the Sussexes getting them back. He’s been pulling this since they were kids. I don’t understand why people think that he wouldn’t do it to Meghan because he’s fond of her. Will and Harry both grew up with him using them to improve his image. He’s even admitted that he gave them their own press office because they couldn’t trust his. Now, because he likes Meghan, he’s suddenly going to stop? If the Cambridges had been behind it, then all Charles had to do was threaten to cut funding to stop it. He’s done it before over far less.
@Ainsley, what does Charles gain by doing this though? If anything , the longer this goes on the more weak and irrelevant Charles looks. it makes him look like he has no control over his own sons and household. I think all of this has come from the Cambridge/Middleton camp. I think the story came out at this time when Baby Sussex is due as a message to say that the Susseax’s are not that important and can be shipped off at any time. And William’s fingers are all over this
@MsIam – I’m with you. I don’t think this is from Charles. I can believe that Charles will throw his kids under the bus for PR points, but I don’t think he wants to sow discord just to sow discord. This story makes the entire BRF look bad, because they look incompetent and like the right hand doesn’t know what the left is doing. I don’t think Charles would do this.
Whenever there is an incompetent mess, I assume its from William, but I cant figure out what his end game was here. Just to get ahead of the story about Harry and Meghan going abroad? (however temporary it might be?)
People are really trying it with the Charles angle despite there being NO indication this is him. Every single smear campaign has put down the Sussexes and uplifted the Cambridges. How does that benefit Charles? The Sussexes aren’t his “competition,” the Cambridges are. William is much more popular than he is and people already talk about wanting King william and for Charles to be skipped over. There’s this weird refusal by some to see what’s right in front of them– William’s fingerprints are all over this.
Plus Charles’ popularity only increased after people saw his warm relationship with Meghan. If people hate Meghan as a result of smears, then her shiny new popularity will no longer rub off on him. It makes no sense.
Good theory, makes sense. This didn’t come out of nowhere.
On a completely shallow note, William is looking ROUGH! He’s got, like, a reverse Dorian Gray thing going on. Remember back in the day when he was gorgeous? But Now? I’ve said it before: He looks like a smug thumb. An actual thumb!
Ha! All I can see today is Willy the Toe!
He resembles Strax – maybe he’s a Sontaran?
“ Since he was still adapting to life on Earth, Strax often said things that were either threatening or insulting [though] he really was trying to fit in as best he could. Strax preferred to deal with problems through force and often suggested weapons or battle tactics that could help in times of need which commonly exasperated his friends.” https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Strax
He does resemble him.
At this point I have to wonder what kind of viper’s nest is the royal family? I am floored that a relationship between two brothers, who seemed as close as any siblings could be, could end up with one possibly engineering a scheme for his brother, wife, and niece or nephew to be shipped off because his ego is too fragile. And for the head of the family (The Queen and the Prince of Wales) to be seemingly okay with it? It’s a shame.
The Royal family have been a toxic and dysfunctional bunch for centuries. The current lot are no different. If the stories are true, it’s a dreadful way to treat your brother and his wife. I also find it hard to believe that Charles and the Queen would go along with it but anything is possible with the Windsors.
Add to this that Chuck has never been able to influence his sons esp Big Willy. We r seeing the results of that, William is very publicly putting down his brother and his family and isn’t going to stop regardless of who speaks to him. Am sure he’d ignore granny too if it came down to her asking him to do something he didn’t want to. No one n that family has been able to control him. His entitlement and arrogance are legendary even for the BRF.
Not too surprised. A group of white, privileged, insulated, wealthy people who think that their blood is purer than the rest of us. Entitlement to the nth degree, most with no friends or contacts outside of their natural circles. I could see why their priorities and values would be very different. I don’t know why people just assume goodness from those of them who have never shown any but I guess that’s a natural inclination for celebrities.
The Queen when first married with 2 kids spent much time in Malta away from London & called it the best time of her life. Perhaps Wills is a brat. But perhaps QE remembers the best time of her life, and it wasn’t around courtiers.
The Cambridges are so awful. An awful mess. This story backfired a lot, they’re so dumb LOL
William is a petty manchild who refuses to do the one thing that would help his position: work.
So I have a personal theory, and it involves the daily sh*tshow that is Brexit.
Much has been made about how, freed of its European chains, the UK will rise again as “global Britain,” a force to reckon with on the international stage, yielding significant influence in international fora (UN etc) and in its “economic sphere of influence.”
I think a division of roles has been established months ago between the Sussexes and the Cambridges. The Cambridges will continue to appeal to a largely domestic, white, rural audience. The Sussexes will be tasked with raising the profile of Britain abroad, especially in the Commonwealth. There are tangible signs that an actual strategy is being followed: Harry was appointed Commonwealth Youth Ambassador by the Queen in April 2018; Meghan had embroidered flowers from all of the Commonwealth countries in her wedding veil – just to take a few examples. I think the Queen understands extremely well that in a post-Brexit world, Meghan can appeal to a much broader, international, diverse audience and that is the plan the royal family has in store for the Sussexes.
It’s not just about having nice pictures taken on international tours. It’s about signing favorable future trade deals for the UK once it loses access to the EU’ single market. It’s about making sure London has enough friends who will support its views in the UN Security Council. It’s basically about making up for the loss in economic power, trade ties and political influence that will come with Brexit. And Harry and Meghan are going to be the public face of this effort.
At least that’s my theory 🙂
I agree with you, LeaTheFrench. But the Palace minions are so incompetent they can’t tell / frame the story correctly, which should have been SO easy!
That, and Willy is trying on his big boy PR pants and they don’t fit.
Here’s the thing though, if that was the case, they should have came out forcefully against the smear campaign against Meghan. Their lack of tact has made them all look like a bunch of backwards, racists, inbred, jerks, who only want to use Meghan for their own survival, yet treat her with disrespect. The “otherization” of Meghan is not ok. Why don’t they send their English Rose, Queen Consort-in-waiting to strengthen international relationships?
This is 100 true, too. If the Palace wasn’t a mess of prejudice, they would have been able to roll this out properly. But since they let bigotry lead the way…here we are.
I think they’ve tried to send Kate. Wasn’t that the point of the Poland/Germany, Sweden/Norway trips?
Good point – and totally agree with you on the “otherization” of Meghan. It’s unacceptable. And utterly disgusting. But could it be that deep down, they recognize – reluctantly and begrudgingly – that she’s their best shot at trying to make “global Britain” happen? “Why don’t they send their English Rose, Queen Consort-in-waiting to strengthen international relationships?” Here is the thing: I share a lot with Kate, including my gender, age, number of children (3, and they are actually the same age as Kate’s children!) and skin color, among other things. I should easily relate to her. I don’t. I find her totally insufferable. If someone who has so much in common with Kate can’t relate, do we think that policy-makers in Kenya or South Africa will? Hopefully folks at KP are not so out-of-touch with reality that they can’t see she’s not exactly their best ambassador.
Preparing to be in charge 25 YEARS FROM NOW! Dude doesn’t have real power right now. He is just a brat on a power trip.
In the words of The Hound, “Fuk the King!” (future william).
Also, we SEE you willy, you dipping your wick in Rose’s rose will not go away. Some people are working hard to expose you for the fraud ‘family’ man you know you are. This story will come to light with overwhelming evidence. While it wont be Tiger Wood’s like skanky scandalous, well, skanky is skanky even if it’s dressed up as a rich toff/aristocrat/royalty.
I would like all the tea on Turnip Toffgate to come out. However, I do not believe “Wills is trimming the Rose bush”. I think Rose Hanbury is involved in some way but I do not think she was having an affair with Bill Cambridge. Bill Cambridge does not seem to me to be her type.
William is a jerk.
I think William is a sign that the monarchy is coming to an end. Australia, Scotland, even Canada will go once that pissant tries to be all authoritative.
Plus the obvious racism.
Doesn’t the Queen have a say in this?
Charles said in a documentary years ago. He will not pass the thrown over to William. It’s his birthright and will take the crown when the time comes.
A few years ago people were asking if the Queen would ever step down and let Charles be king. People close to her said that that would NEVER happen, because the Queen viewed her monarchy as a duty. And yes, while the monarch is not “powerful” as the kings and queens of old were, it is work – not always glamorous and fun either. She needs to be informed of the goings on in the government and receives multiple briefings. And if you ever hear her address at the state opening of Parliament, it is clear she is well-informed.
If Charles inherited any of his mother’s sense of duty, he will not step down.
Lol I remember when Wills’ likeability scores were at a high a few years ago, people used to say, I hope William succeeds the Queen. Nobody’s saying that now!
The Queen is impeccably informed. I’ve been going on a bit of a Canadian history rabbit hole lately, especially the patriation of our constitution in the 80s. Multiple government officials, including the PM at the time, mentioned how knowledgeable she was about constitutional matters and history, and how that was a great comfort to him and his team because they knew she was in their corner on the issue. I wouldn’t be surprised if she was genuinely one of the UK’s experts on the subject, because she’d have to be in order to know exactly what her position as the monarch entails.
William’s jealousy reminds me of a toddler who doesn’t play well with others. These toddlers’ rules of play need to be updated for him:
1. If I like it, it’s mine.
2. If it’s in my hand, it’s mine.
3. If I can take it from you, it’s mine.
4. If I had it a little while ago, it’s mine.
5. If it’s mine, it must never appear to be yours in any way.
6. If I’m doing or building something, all the pieces are mine.
7. If it looks just like mine, it’s mine.
8. If I saw it first, it’s mine.
9. If you are playing with something and put it down, it automatically becomes mine.
10. If it’s broken, it’s yours.
11. If it’s broken but you are having fun playing with the pieces, it’s mine again.
12. If there is ANY doubt, it’s mine.
Hadn’t seen this – thanks!
Charles committed himself to being POW at his investiture. William is still trying to avoid anything (especially work) that comes between him and his Aristo-turnip-toff lifestyle. If he thought this would divert attention from his Norfolk Naughties then he’s even more stupid than he looks.
How does this not sound like it would be absolutely wonderful for Meghan??? Finally she’ll be out from under the thumb of all the horrible day to day bull she goes through! Her friends will be able to spend a great deal more time with her. She’ll be at the heart of the charity work she’s most passionate about. I’d imagine she’d be thrilled at the thought of going to Africa!
So would I Alison. I would grab the opportunity to live on the continent but I am afraid big Willy got wind of their plans and leaked it with a twisted spin. There is no one the Sussexes can trust but themselves.
Good morning posters. “Dispatched” is the word of the day.
I find this “William’s large and in charge” narrative being put out by his minions pure bullsh*t. He’s a 36-year-old Crown Prince in waiting, who is obviously bored and frustrated – with his wife, his life, his tread water position as second in line to the British throne.
Second. In. Line. Because clearly, granny has no plans to retire and Prince Charles – listen, that MoFu has waited for 70 years to be king – and he’s made it clear that he intends to sit his ass down on that throne and stay there until he falls over. By that time, William may very well be in his 50s. That’s a long-ass wait. And now here’s his brother stealing the show. That’s gotta sting.
Nonetheless, he’s not “dispatching” anyone anywhere. Because here’s where it gets sticky: Meghan’s British citizenship. I’m pretty sure there are residency requirements that would make it difficult for her if she left the country for any continuous period of time. If she spends more than 270 days out of the country within five years after marrying Harry before applying for British citizenship, then she becomes ineligible.
What William is counting on is that by that time, they will be split up and citizenship won’t matter. Really, it’s soooo transparent.
You know, I always thought William, with his fancy-pants education (perhaps the most educated future monarch in many years) was the “smartest” person in his immediate family.
Apparently not.
Actually, that’s not true. William is not more educated than his father. Charles graduated from Cambridge and was also awarded an Honorary Masters from Cambridge as well. He is more fancy pants than William!
@TooHonest *Everyone* who graduates BA Hons (starred firsts to thirds) at Cambridge gets an automatic MA after a certain number of terms following graduation: the work covered in the final year (Part II) is the same as an equivalent Russell Group’s Masters syllabus, such as, for example, KCL’s Theology MA. The MPhil on the other hand is 9 months of hell, and paves the way for a PhD.
I wonder if it’s just that simple. Make Harry’s life hell until he leaves Meghan and the baby and goes back to being William and Kate’s third wheel again.
Hahahahaha. “In charge”. Hahahahaha. Rolling on the ground!
(Straightening myself up). Ok I had my laugh for today.
Poor poor Willy. Not the father’s favorite, not as good in giving speeches, lacking motivation, zero charisma, not in a joyful marriage. Tsk tsk tsk. The extent he will go to embiggen himself.
So the popularity of the Sussexes has them on edge? I think it will increase when the baby is born., lol.
I once auditioned for an aspiring theatre director whose ambitions outpaced her ability.
She sent out press releases announcing she’d founded her own theatre company and had commissioned a number of famous playwrights and would be producing six new plays plus a large-cast Shakespeare play. Got a lot of press coverage for it.
Of course it was all fantasy. Never happened.
William reminds me of that woman.
The Royal Family much like the entertainment industry is smoke and mirrors. Slebs and wannabes are always spouting off about their grand plans but how many of them actually happen?
William still looks like a jackass. Good luck with your trip to New Zealand and meet the prime minister WHO LIKES MEGHAN.
If harry and Meghan are smart they should bemaking plans of what to do when William becomes king. Because William seems to have it in his head that he can send them wherevet he wants. Who wants to be apart of that? Because by the time William becomes (God hoping the queen and Charles live long lives) harry and megahn would probably have had more then one kid and exciling ( because that is exactly what William is trying to do) will be effecting innocent children’s lives
Gaslighting “source”: “their life together is all about preparing to be in charge…”
Kaiser at Celebitchy: “They’re not doing sh*t to prepare for that…”
Preach it sister!!
Such nonsense is being said about these people. It’s just too easy to fact check and it’s not so easy to get stuff passed the very astute people on social media who can call this bs out. Their antiquated pr strategies are failing them big time lol.
He has to send them away because they actually do the Royal work instead of boning through the Toffs. Wills will never be King. So mote it be.
My question would be is there any indication that Charles might not be king? IF William were suddenly taking charge, that would suggest to me that Charles plans on abdicating for some reason. The only reason I could think that would make that the case if there was some dire health concern.
What I fail to understand is that if this story is even remotely true, why is the media not asking why William gets any say in where his brother goes? The Queen would probably tell William to sit down at the suggestion and remind him who is actually in charge to make that decision. This whole story makes no sense at all.
“If William were suddenly taking charge” But he’s not. That’s the sticking point. He’s not taking charge in the places where he’d NEED to be taking charge, as someone who’s second-in-line and trying to prepare for being Prince of Wales and perhaps King one day. The only thing he’s taking charge of is deciding where to dispatch his brother and his wife to because he seemingly wants to get them out of his way.
It’s why I put IF in all caps. Why is the media acting like he’d have any say over it? I imagine the Queen and Charles rolling their eyes and telling William to sit down and shut up unless he came up with this plan because he knows this is what Harry wants and he’s advocating for them to do this. Maybe after all the horrid media attention Harry does want his family out of the UK for awhile.
The plan makes some sense if Harry and Meghan want it and this was their idea. I could see William being an advocate for them more than doing it out of spite. I just don’t believe this story as it’s written. It makes no sense whatsoever and sounds like courtiers running their mouth to The Times over something they know little about. I can’t imagine The Queen and Charles even considering this or making it public if the plan was made by William out of animosity. They’d put him back in his place. All of them realize Harry and Meghan provide more popularity to The Royal Family and the benefits that entails.
But the point here is that he can’t take charge in these decisions,and putting aside the rivalry angle that does no favor to him at all,which is why there’s no way this story was leaked by them,the furst report about this stuff claerly states that these decisions are being discussed by high-level officials close to the Queen herself.
I imagine the Queen would only consider this route if she absolutely knew this was something Harry a d Meghan wanted and could guarantee their safety. They’re a firm but also a family when the day is done. Do you honestly believe the Queen would have them leave the UK unless SHE felt it was absolutely in their best interests and that they would be safe? No.
Harry has always had a love/hate relationship with the media. I do think he wants this. He wants to get away from the media and be of use somewhere in the world.
Here’s my take. William and Harry have reached that time in many siblings’ lives where their paths, their morals, their careers, their whole focus shifts and they diverge. Clearly Harry has matured beyond William who seems entrenched in the indolent lifestyle of a lazy Norfolk Nob with a doormat of a wife who just wants to have babies, shop and work out. Harry, on the other hand, has carved out many worthy opportunities for himself, and now with Meghan. They seem to be in lockstep about their future roles. William is undoubtedly jealous of the impact Harry and Meghan have had in the short term – Meghan’s knocked a few balls out of the park (Grenfell Tower cookbook, extremely successful tour) – and is showing it with his petulant behavour.
Furthermore, this TurnipToffGate issue is still simmering away and instead of just ignoring it or making a bland rebuttal, William goes postal and threatens legal action while Rose and her husband are radio silence. All the while the racist Meghan-bashing continues without a peep from the BRF or a similar warning to the media that the BRF will take legal action. Why wouldn’t William take as strong a stance against that instead of trying to stamp out rumours of a “falling out” between Kate and Rose over…..je ne sais quoi? (nudge nudge, wink wink…)
All this baseless PR about Harry and Meghan being “sent away” is a diversionary tactic to draw attention away from the fact that, yes, something dire happened with the Hanburys, Harry found it distasteful and disrespectful to Kate whom he continues to support, and that William used Harry and Meghan as convenient scapegoats instead of defending them. These are the reasons why Harry and William have fallen out and no amount of “spin” can cover it up.
I don’t believe this story. First of all, colonialism. Botswana doesn’t want a British prince living there. The symbolism would not be acceptable.
I feel sorry for Meghan. Shouldn’t have married into this family.
Yeah, I had concerns too, but if MM and Harry genuinely love each other they can hopefully make it work. They both are a bit flighty though.
Breaking: Harper’s Bazaar is reporting directly from the Sussex camp.
“Let’s be clear about one thing: Any decision the couple make about their future will be made by themselves for themselves. Harry and Meghan have always wanted to reach people on a global level and that is the only thing that’s motivating them. Aside from the Queen and Prince Charles, they’re not looking to other family members, or their teams, for guidance.”
Please pay attention to that last sentence. The SHADE!
BOOM!!! Mic drop.
The gloves are off!
That was the obvious response to a piece that wanted them being exiled because the Queen’s aides AND his brother liked it,whoever wanted the story being framed in that way.And surely it’s not William’s team.. Everyone can draw their own conclusions.
But he’s not even denying that there’re discussions in early stage about a short period abroad because it’s evidently true that senior palace aides (close to the Queen herself) are discussing about it.
@Vi, yes we can draw our own conclusions, which is that it Is Williams “team” behind this. If it was Charles and the Queen then why would the article say that M&H are looking to them for guidance. And what other family members would benefit from having Harry & Meghan out of the way? Please don’t say Andrew because while I’m sure that he has gotten his petty jabs in too, his stature will not change if H&M leave the country. But W&K think theirs will for whatever reason they have concocted.
Unless Case gets fired from KP in the next few days there is nothing to suggest that the articles on Sunday, especially the first one, weren’t agreed to by William. Case and Shipman have lengthy contacts from the Brexit vote and there is no connection with Harry or Meghan at all. To pretend that Harry and Meghan put out these racist and ill informed articles to look like victims but then suddenly have Omid Scobie, someone who is known to be connected to the Sussexes , put out something that is the opposite, is ludicrous and reminiscent of what is said in the royal dish forums.
There’s what is actually happening and how what is happening is framed. What is happening is that senior palace aides are drawing some plans. And,probably,Case was involved as a link in potential talk with the government.
Then The Times added the a whole jealousy angle overplaying a power that William doesn’t have.
There’s absolutely no way his secretary went to the press asking to publish a story about William wanting his brother away because he’s scared by his popularity.. It’s crazy.
So yes,there’s the juicy,gossip-y predictable angle,but it’s very likely there’s *someone* who wanted the story framed in that way. Courtiers with an agenda,someone who wants to create unnecessary tensions,someone who doesn’t like a specific situation and wants to push a narrative.
I think the KP PR team and William thought they could get a head of Harry and Meghan next big project. Harry probably caught them off guard with the Apple and big O mental health project. They knew nothing about it…..The KP team couldn’t add Williams name to the credits. I bet Harry kept those meetings close to his vest because he did not trust the KP team. He waited until he moved his office to BP for the release. William and the KP team probably thought they could get a jump on or credit for Harry and Meghan next big project. The Sussex’s work through every ideal /detail of their projects months to years in adavance. There was probably some discussion going on about one day Harry and Meghan go to Africa to do a project for Earth Day… Which the KP team turned into moving to Africa for 3 years to 2-6 months. Added Willis name on the unbounded rumor. Someone set them up to watch what they would do with the information. They failed for it and added more information to it. BP may be looking for the leak in KP team. Didn’t Wills say he would tell his friends different stores to try to find who was talking to the press.
Yep. that’s exactly it. The Telegraph has a new article out and has the Cambridges’ with ruffled feathers because mental health was supposed to be Kate’s charity area. Which is silly because Harry was working on mental health issues before Kate even started.
What a weird complaint. People can’t “share” charity focuses? So I guess it’s all about PR then, not about the actual cause.
A streamlined monarchy needs everybody they have left. It’s unlikely to exile Harry and his wife now. It is a long shoot and not a simple one. They can go for a few months somewhere to do some charity. I mean Harry and William have made a point to go for months in Africa before to save…someone or something. But I highly doubt that in 2019 they will send a young mother the other side of the world just because. And Meghan is not a silent doll. She would crush them with her PR and make them look BAD if they started playing games like this. I know I would.
Let’s not forget also that we are talking about people that are a little out of touch here. They don’t even do politics (the royals). Someone else bothers to play these games to please them. But the truth is that in the end this is not a monarchy of the 1600. They don’t have that kind of power. We will see in the near future what will happen but I am positive they will stay put.
The future is written for all of them. W&K. H&M. They already know where they stand. They are set in their roles. No big changes will happen.
Back when I was doing my first degree, I helped out at Fresher’s Fair. A chap I spoke to casually interjected, mid-conversation: “I like women to be fine, you know? I like a woman to be a woman, if you know what I mean?”
“No,” quoth I.
For three years he ignored me, his eyes skittering over me whenever I dared to inadvertently enter his field of vision. He surrounded himself with the Barbie version of womanhood, all “you’re so big and strong” while twining their hair around their index fingers and opening their eyes wide.
The chap even set up a popularity contest. He came last.
Reminds me very much of William.
Ideal woman = 1950s non-argumentative, decorative child incubator who says “yes dear” and defers on everything.
No wonder he’s so threatened by a ruthlessly intelligent, charismatic, determined and unflappable woman like the DoS. She doesn’t fit into his world view. Cannot be right. Does not compute. Has more knowledge. Threatened, threatened, threatened. Banish!!!
Because, God forbid, he actually indulge in a little self-examination and -improvement.
Notice now the TURNIP TOFF /CHEATING SCANDAL is now on the far back back back burner!? It’s like we spiralled into the “William Winer” saga. We kept from “Wandering Willy”too willingly, no?
What image flaw would Prince Charles approve of more readily? The Cheater or the Power Hungry Groaner? I think to deflate the population of big sons, this sets up Charles to shine.
Good Work Clarence House!!
I like this theory.
Makes sense. Also, I think the feud between the brothers has to do with Harry being angry at Will for cheating.
When I read these posts about William becoming king, I hear in my head Foghorn Leghorn saying “sit down, Son, I say, sit down”
Poor William feels threaten by something….I wonder what it is? How many times can KP tell the world, William is a future King and Kate, Queen Consort. What they don’t understand is that, No One Cares!! Those that are fascinated and interested in the Sussex’s aren’t going to have an epiphany about William/Kate. Basically their futures are already set in stone, nothing new just boring. Harry and Meghan have a open book with empty pages to fill. So know matter how many times KP screams “look at the future King!” the majority of the world (except the racist Brits) will continue to look to Harry/Meghan.
I agree… William and Kate have the backing of the press and the Queen. The royal watchers and british public approve of them. They have nothing to worry about. I watched Charles and Diana , Andrew and Fergie, William and Kate, and Meghan and Harry weddings. I looked at the cute kid pictures when shown/ released. That is just about the most interest Americans have of the royal family if any. There is more interest in Harry because of Meghan, but before that Harry was in the news for bad decision making….. He also was in the military for 10 years . Did 2 tours in a war zone… People have respect for him. And let’s not forget working with the Obamas on military veterans projects. And let’s face it he got in trouble in Vegas …. That made Harry almost american….hahaha….. When William and Kate did their U.S. Tour no one cared it was so boring. Williams is not looking at his brother as an asset to him when he becomes king. Which he is. He is being small minded and looking at Harry as competition. Once William realizes that he can let Harry and Meghan do all the great charity work they want and protect them from the crazy press. He will look like a loving and compassionate brother. His approval ratings will get even better. I don’t know who decided that Meghan was a threat at KP , but they have totally went about this wrong way. Meghan did not get a year to get use to her new life. They knit pick everything and dragged. As an American it ticked me off. Now I will be watching to make sure we have her back. A lot of us are watching the RF and british press. They are spinning this story even in the US media. We are not buying it.
Harry and Kate have always been close. This whole situation with Harry and William seems to have gotten so much colder since the “rumors” that he was unfaithful. It makes so much more sense that Harry is angry at Will because he cheated on Kate than because Will told him to take it slow with Megan.