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It looked like a mini-van to me, but I've been helped further below. What a mess.

It is a Toyota Tacoma, kind of hard to tell from the camera angle; it looks from the pic a little like a mini-van but actually it is a pickup.

haven't they already found the truck in question and it's no longer running?

They need to remove their alert on blue trucks since that's not what he's driving. Last I heard, he may be in NV, AZ or in Mexico, possibly in a white car.

Thanks for the personal report. This story is really hard to follow. Frankly, I'm glad I'm not down there with all this panic. If you're down that way - well, I'd say to take it safe but that doesn't seem like it applied in this case.

At a minimum.

I think they should be charged with murder. At least criminally negligent homicide.

But, yeah, a lawsuit or two should be in the works, too.

Thank you for the correction.

last time I checked she was intensive care

I would edit it but it was clearly called out for its error in the following post. If I did an edit the following posts would make no sense.

the poor woman was delivering the LA times, I had read she had been shot 3 times in the back.

News reported bullets went into houses, trees, other cars, not to mention the many that hit the pickup flap.

Also they could use eyeglasses, apparently, to tell the difference between a blue pick and a grey SUV, and 2 slight Aisian women from a man who is "black, 6 feet tall and weighing 270 pounds."

PLUS: About 25 minutes after the shooting, Torrance police opened fire after spotting another truck similar to Dorner's at Flagler Lane and Beryl Street. No one was reported hurt.

Are not the officers acting in good faith on the best available information? Sure, errors are made, but please bear in mind that the police on tracking a very dangerous individual who no doubt plans to kill many more people, a terrorist, if you will, and the police should do everything in their power to stop him.

out here. But these Republican cops aren't going to sit back and allow their wrongheaded party to lost without a fight.

They're sore they lost complete power in our great state and know it's because of Latinos voting for Democrats. I guess they believe they should cut down the Latino population so the GOP can get back into power in our state as well as the U.S. Congress since it will be a cold day in hell before a Latino will vote Republican here.

Risking a call out that I'm a , this is what I believe is going on here. It's only getting worse and worse. Cops are really getting out of hand.

1. They're pigs, so 90% chance they are rethugs

2.They're out to murder minorities, so again they are rethugs

3. They are acting like scared little bitches, rethug quality 3

all the shoot 'em up TeeVee shows and movies too.

Ask the two latina women clinging to dear life if any of my statements are untrue. To be fair, they apply to pigs in general, but LAPD is particularly wound up.

Today Torrance police (NOT LA police) shot at a white man. Still out to murder minorites?

and teabaggers or christofascists at the worst. Our cops here are EXTREMELY conservative, and they lean racist.

I'm sure they hate them for anyone else, though.

to be represented by a union. That's because they believe themselves to be god's gift to society and all others are trash. That's the attitude they have.

Back in October, my 21-year-young daughter got pulled over in West Covina for nothing. The nearly-off-duty cop stopped her by a stoplight where she was waiting, and he walks all macho up to the door and says, "Good thing I wasn't yet off duty." He totally confused her.

The circumstance? She was waiting at a red stoplight about to make a right turn (allowed in California) when the dickless wonder of a cop gets out of his squad and saunters over to her before giving her a moving violation citation! She wasn't even moving! This fucker said that she was "endangering pedestrians" who were, get this, standing approximately a yard away from the curb with their backs to the street.

He gave her a $298 dollar ticket but told her she had two months before she would get a court date. Never came. AND he lied because guess what? She suddenly got a letter one week after New Year's Day stating that she had to go to court and pay a $998 dollar bail for not showing up to a court date she never received!

Her license was "put on hold" with the DMV until she paid at least a portion of the bail ($480) and now she has a court date in October. She will appear in court all right - with her attorney, and she's getting that $480 back, but she did have to pay it up front.

LAPD cops are DICKS and they're racist down to the bone. More than enough examples of that caught on video (not counting the Rodney King incident). They have zero scruples. They happily lie under oath, pretend they're under attack at a peaceful Latino wedding (caught on tape) and beat the living daylights out of elderly Latino members who DARE ask them why they're being manhandled while they have a partner call in telling dispatch that they're the ones under attack!

And this is what we pay high taxes in CA for - to be beaten down at the whim of any LAPD cop with a chip on his shoulder.

I'm sorry, but it sounds like you have en extremely warped vision of how things actually work.

what I'm talking about. You probably believe they don't have quotas to fulfill every month, either, do you?

Gullible.

If you don't see how nuts that sounds I can't help you.

to not believe that our LAPD cops are not corrupt is nothing short of gullible - and that's being generous and nice. It's clear you have NO idea what they do here. NONE. ZILCH. Then again, I'm pretty sure you're not Latino so I guess you'll never know, will you?

Are you psychic, or just very presumptuous?

I know the LAPD is corrupt. You don't have to live there to hear about these things. What you're suggesting is just murder. I don't buy it and your general animosity does nothing to convince me.

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They overreacted to the Dorner situation.

Your conclusion is incoherent.

Your conclusion is wishful thinking unless, of course, you're psychic.

My conclusion is based upon the horrendous reputation of being racist bigots and the widespread corruption within the LAPD and the officers' outrageous claim that they had mistaken these two Latino women for a big, bald black man, Dorner.

But, if it makes you feel better to believe that it was an honest mistake by seasoned cops . . . go for it. I'd rather not give them the benefit of the doubt unless the two women had been Caucasian. Otherwise, they don't get a pass from me who has seen too many cops pull over Asians and Latinos for driving while brown even as white boys in Dodge Chargers roar by.

They fucking over reacted out of hysteria and fear. They freaked out when they saw a truck like Dorners at a house that he was targeting.

Their police work FAILED on every level possible and they should be relieved of duty because of it.

THIS INCIDENT WAS NOT BASED ON THE COLOR OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CAR BUT THE CAR ITSELF IN THIS CASE!!!!

Reread my post before you lose it again.

Here, lemme help you:

"But, if it makes you feel better to believe that it was an honest mistake by seasoned cops . . ."

Clear now?

fail

Checkmate.

Threw a paper to a house being guarded by LAPD since the residents were among those threatened by Christopher Dorner. Dorner was reported to be driving a blue or gray truck - the women were driving a blue truck.

In the middle of the night the officers guarding the house saw a truck similar to the description of the suspect's, and object thrown out of the truck, and the truck driving away. Not surprising that they reacted, but they over reacted by firing on the truck without making an attempt to identify who the occupants of the vehicle were.

Dorner was already named a suspect in the murder of the daughter of a retired LAPD captain and her fiance; had already shot three police officers in two different incidents, killing one and severely injuring another. He's named a long list of LAPD officers and their families as targets. He's a qualified sniper and may have explosives.

LAPD is justifiably paranoid and are stretched in trying to guard families of their fellow officers while also trying to protect themselves. But they are handling it badly. The incident with the newspaper delivery women is not the only one. Another vehicle was rammed and the driver shot at through his windshield just because it was a truck that superficially matched the suspect's - neither truck in those two incidents was of the same make as the suspect's.

http://timelines.latimes.com/statewide-manhunt-ex-lapd-officer/

NOT FUCKING JUSTIFIABLE! Understandable perhaps, but can't be justified with a kerning tool the size of Manhattan.

shooting the women.

They shot first. They have NO intention of apprehending the suspect. They are out on a hunting spree as well.

God help that 71 yr old woman if she looks like a 275 lb African American bald man!

that salient and glaring fact. I guess they're too busy conjuring excuses to dismiss this incident as just another honest mistake of mistaken identity.

God help us that our citizens are so cowed that they can't, for the life of them, believe that cops in the LAPD are no less vicious and corrupt as the criminals they're supposed to apprehend and protect us from - and why they so deeply hate attorneys at law who go after them.

Thank god my daughter works for two very influential attorneys who practice, among other specialties, criminal law.

As I've stated over and over again on this MB and others, the only rights we have as citizens are the ones attorneys protect in a court of law. Our rights without them aren't worth the paper they've been written on unless you either have attorney acquaintances or attorney friends who will help you pro bono OR if you can afford an attorney to represent you. Otherwise, we're shit out of luck.

No. There is NO justification for this. Police officers are supposed to be PROFESSIONALS, not fucking paranoid assholes who go off half cocked. I'm sorry, but there are 10 million people in the greater LA metro area. 10 million! Do you have any idea how many "blue or gray" trucks there are????? This is not Grover's Corners. LAPD can't just shoot the fuck out of every blue or gray truck on the basis that it "might" be Dorner. I'm appalled.

of next week. The make, model and color of the truck were wrong too.

Do I smell lawsuit?

Well, I take that back. Part of me assumes they shot wild in fear, but they shot the vehicle from behind, so this might be a wild predator-prey response.

Whatever it was, training went out the window when it started.

Yes, training went out the window and that tells me training was poor.

And to continue with the theme, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree....

give the rest a bad name.

Do we need more proof there are far too many crazy, incompetent fools with guns? That's just the nuts with badges. . .

the rank and file officers?

Gun control fanatics and cop-haters have blood on their hands.

A lone Stochastic Terrorist has succeeded in creating the greatest state of perceived vulnerability here since the Los Angeles riots of 1992.

I can tell you right now that San Diego cops never stopped responding to critical calls yesterday.

Lots more cars on the street than usual.

You said that we are effectively without police protection...pick a lane. If we were without protection why did you have more cars in the street?

By the way...all police agencies in SOCal, local, state and federal are on high alert and responding to calls. In fact, I suspect the Federales are also on high alert.

Explain.

The whole thing, not just the parts that are published on sites like Huffington Post.

Tiebow has blood on his hands?

Seriously.

Rampart division never solved and things far worst (which the shot up Toyota Tacoma, blue vehice, not burned out gray Nissan Titan seem to support). LAPD has been a cesspool...don't expect that part of the story to be covered by HuffPo, let alone the cowed local media

...hearing to determine what real merit exists in his writings.

He never got a fair hearing and so descended into delusion and resorted to unsound methods.

I'm confident that you don't either.

But my point stands.

Anybody got a link?

Confirmed my initial suspicions. Oh how I mourn the dearth of real journalism.

Which when push comes to shove could mean less protection for the rest of us.

able to control themselves in a stressful situation regardless how nervous they are. Don't they train for scenarios like this?

Notice the police car is intact. The police were trying to protect themselves.

Police shot up a truck that didn't even vaguely resemble the one they were looking for, with two women inside who didn't even vaguely resemble the man they were looking for. And you use it as an opportunity to bash "gun control fanatics" and "cop-haters", saying they have "blood on their hands".

You also seem a little confused about the term "Stochastic Terrorist". That would imply someone who is influenced by media personalities who target individuals and groups to be hated, knowing that somewhere out there someone will eventually act on that misinformation (e.g., O'Reilly's "Tiller the Baby Killer" pronouncements). In this case the man appears to have been motivated by specific grievances of his own (real or perceived, we don't really know at this point).

In this particular instance it is the police who have blood on their hands. Thank goodness neither of these women was killed.

for real. seek help.

coke, meth and speed you had confiscated from some of the other LA gangs (original tip-of-the-iceberg revelation from Ramparts 1), you too might readily confuse two Latina ladies for one African American male. Both pickups were dark and occupants, after all, were not white.

in case it's needed

This is what we are seeing.

They should be fired.

I don't doubt that they are so frightened they could compress a lump of coal passing through their sphincter into a diamond, but free fire zones are not acceptable.

If they get punished at all, it will be administrative leave, WITH PAY, for oh, maybe a week.
And if they have a history of brutality, they will be reassigned.

The din from the impact of the bullets might have been near deafening.

As I understand it, one of the vehicle occupants (a woman in her seventies) sustained gunshot injury to her back. The other occupant sustained an inury to her finger.

Neither of these fucking idiots could shoot worth a damn.

.223 doesn't penetrate vehicles worth shit.

I am very happy these two women, while injured, are still alive, but the fact they are alive speaks to the ineffectiveness of that round on even mild steel sheet metal.

Though, I don't know that it's a good argument for issuing the police AR-10's either...

You'd think some fucker jacked on meth could do a better job with an M4 or whatever they are calling m-16 clones these days.

The two hispanic newspaper delivery ladies was all just a nefarious ruse... Dorner was going to bust out of the truck-bed at any moment like Bruce Willis in the G.I. Joe Retaliation trailer