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Canon PowerShot S90 10MP Digital Camera with 3.8X Wide Angle Optical Image Stabilized Zoom and 3-Inch LCD (Old Model)
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Brand | Canon |
Model Name | S90IS |
Maximum Webcam Image Resolution | 10 MP |
Photo Sensor Size | 1/1.7 inches |
Image Stabilization | Optical |
Max Shutter Speed | 1/1600 seconds |
Min Shutter Speed | 15 seconds |
Metering Description | Multi, Center-weighted, Spot |
Exposure Control Type | Automatic |
Form Factor | Compact |
About this item
- New 10-megapixel High Sensitivity System; DIGIC 4 Image Processor
- Improved low-light image performance, plus a Low Light scene mode for ISO settings up to 12,800
- Customizable control ring for easy access and operation of manual or other creative shooting settings
- Wide-angle 3.8x optical zoom with Canon's Optical Image Stabilizer; bright f/2.0 lens
- RAW + JPEG shooting and recording modes; capture images to SD/SDHC memory cards (not included)
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Picture quality | 4.5 | 3.8 | 4.0 | 3.8 | 4.6 | 4.4 |
Zoom | 3.7 | 3.8 | 3.9 | 3.8 | 4.6 | 4.3 |
Image stabilization | 3.7 | 4.0 | — | 4.0 | 4.6 | — |
Easy to use | — | 4.1 | 3.3 | 4.1 | — | — |
Sold By | A.M.F store | Amazon.com | Amazon.com | M Z Photo | Pandos-US | Amazon.com |
display type | LCD | LCD | LCD | LCD | LCD | LCD |
display size | 3 inches | 2.7 inches | — | 2.7 inches | 2.8 inches | 3 inches |
lens type | zoom | Wide Angle | Wide Angle | Wide Angle | Fisheye | Telephoto |
zoom type | Optical, Digital | Optical Zoom | Optical Zoom | Optical Zoom | Digital Zoom, Optical Zoom | Optical Zoom |
shooting modes | Scene | Automatic, Portrait, Landscape, Macro | Easy | Automatic | Automatic | Aperture Priority, Manual, Program, Shutter Priority |
connectivity tech | HDMI, USB | USB | USB | USB | Type C | Wi-Fi, NFC |
video resolution | 480p | 1080p | 1080p | 1080p | 2160p | 4K UHD 2160p |
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Auto Focus Technology | Multi-area, Single, Live View, Contrast Detection |
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Display Resolution Maximum | 461,000 |
Photo Sensor Size | 1/1.7 inches |
Photo Sensor Technology | CCD |
Effective Still Resolution | 10 |
Maximum Webcam Image Resolution | 10 MP |
White balance settings | Auto |
Self Timer Duration | 10 seconds |
JPEG quality level | Fine |
Camera Flash | Built-In |
Image Stabilization | Optical |
Video Capture Format | AVC |
Video Capture Resolution | 480p |
Screen Size | 3 Inches |
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Display Type | LCD |
Display Fixture Type | Fixed |
Batteries Required? | Yes |
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Number of Batteries | 1 Lithium Ion batteries required. |
Are Batteries Included | No |
Rechargeable Battery Included | No |
Battery Cell Composition | Lithium Ion |
Battery Description | Lithium Ion |
Battery Weight | 1 Grams |
Removable Memory | Multimedia Card, Secure Digital Card |
Target Gender | Unisex |
Digital Scene Transition | zoom |
Connectivity Technology | USB, HDMI |
Continuous Shooting Speed | 0.9 |
Wireless Communication Technology | Yes |
Flash Memory Type | SD, SDHC, MMC, MMCplus, HC MMCplus card |
Special Feature | Lightweight |
Water Resistance Level | Not Water Resistant |
Skill Level | Amateur, Professional |
Specific Uses For Product | Photography |
Form Factor | Compact |
Hardware Interface | USB |
Audio Recording | Yes |
Photo Sensor Technology | CCD |
Lens Type | zoom |
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Optical Zoom | 3.8 x |
Digital Zoom | 4 x |
Maximum Aperture | 2 f |
Minimum Aperture | 2.0 |
Zoom Type | Optical, Digital |
Autofocus Points | 1 |
Compatible Mountings | Canon |
Focus Type | Autofocus & Manual |
Maximum Focal Length | 105 Millimeters |
Minimum Focal Length | 28 Millimeters |
Expanded ISO Maximum | 3200 |
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Expanded ISO Minimum | 80 |
Max Shutter Speed | 1/1600 seconds |
Min Shutter Speed | 15 seconds |
Exposure Control Type | Automatic |
Metering Description | Multi, Center-weighted, Spot |
Shooting Modes | Scene |
Model Name | S90IS |
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Brand | Canon |
Model Number | S90IS |
Customer Reviews |
3.9 out of 5 stars |
Best Sellers Rank | #135,758 in Electronics (See Top 100 in Electronics) #832 in Digital Point & Shoot Cameras |
ASIN | B002LITT42 |
Number of Items | 1 |
Color | Black |
Included Components | Battery Charger, Battery, Neck Strap |
Assembly Required | No |
Age Range (Description) | Adult |
Processor Description | Digic 4 |
Item Dimensions LxWxH | 3.94 x 2.3 x 1.22 inches |
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Item Weight | 175 Grams |
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Product Description
By combining a 10 megapixel CCD sensor and Canon's advanced DIGIC 4 Image Processor, the PowerShot S90 offers dramatic low light sensitivity with minimal noise. Impressive ISO 3200 capability reduces blur and subject movement for crisp photos with spectacular sharpness and clarity. The S90 boasts an incredibly slim profile and lightweight body for true pocket-sized convenience. For the photographer that never wants to miss an opportunity, the S90 the high quality camera that you can carry every day. With an equivalent zoom range of 28-105mm, Canon's 3.8x Optical Zoom Lens captures everything from sweeping landscapes to telephoto action shots with ease. An impressive f/2.0 aperture allows you to create dramatic portraits by emphasizing your subject's face and blurring the background with a soft, shallow depth-of-field.
From the Manufacturer
Canon’s storied S Series gets a revitalized new leader in the slimmer, lighter, new PowerShot S90, the perfect everyday camera for people who are serious about great photography. Image quality is superb thanks to the new High Sensitivity System and higher ISO speeds, plus an exceptionally bright f/2.0 lens that makes portraits and low-light shots come to life. Photography enthusiasts will love the new control ring at the base of the lens barrel, designed for intuitive, pro-style manual control.
PowerShot S90 Highlights
New 10-megapixel sensor coupled with Canon’s DIGIC 4 Image Processor
The PowerShot S90 employs a newly developed, 10-megapixel High Sensitivity System by combining a powerful CCD sensor and Canon’s DIGIC 4 Image Processor. Thanks to this technological advancement, the S90 is dramatically more sensitive than cameras with identical megapixel counts, and delivers spectacular images with minimal noise. Increased sensitivity demands a higher ISO speed, and the PowerShot S90 delivers with a new maximum setting of ISO 3,200. Blur and camera shake are notably reduced for the ultimate in sharpness and clarity.
In addition, a new Low Light mode lets you capture images in an astonishing range of conditions. The camera automatically adjusts the ISO speed from ISO 320 to ISO 12,800 in relation to ambient brightness, subject movement and camera shake.
Compact and pocket-sized camera for everyday use for the advanced amateur
Serious photography buffs never want to miss a shooting opportunity, and that means keeping a high-quality camera on hand at all times. With a robust feature set that meets an advanced amateur’s exacting standards, the compact PowerShot S90 fits the bill. The S90 boasts an incredibly slim profile and lightweight body for pocket-sized convenience, yet packs in advanced capabilities that make every image memorable. It’s the perfect take-along complement to your camera collection.
Bright f/2.0 lens, great for shooting in low light conditions or using a shallow depth-of-field
The S90 sports an f/2.0 aperture, perfect for creating enticing portraits, by drawing attention to the face and blurring the background with its impressively shallow depth-of-field. The Macro setting lets you get even closer. The large aperture also does more. It lets you capture more nuances in low light shooting by using more of the available light. You’ll be ready for anything with a lens aperture larger than even many professional sizes.
Customizable control ring for easy access and operation of manual settings
Focus, Exposure, ISO, Step Zoom, or White Balance can now be adjusted more precisely than ever with the S90’s new control ring. It’s even more intuitive and quicker than the usual 2-button control and the S90 lets you decide which function the ring will adjust.
3.8x optical zoom in action Wide-angle 3.8x optical zoom (equivalent to 28-105mm) with Canon’s Optical Image Stabilizer
The PowerShot S90 features Canon's precision 28mm Wide-Angle Lens that allows you to shoot any scene from wide-angle to telephoto. It lets you capture more in every frame, so everyone fits in a family gathering shot. When it's time to take a closer look, a 3.8x optical zoom (35mm equivalent 28-105mm) greatly minimizes camera shake and maximizes the brilliance of every detail. The camera uses a USM (Ultrasonic Motor) for high-speed, quiet, energy-efficient lens movement with precise control. Focal length is conveniently indicated on the lens barrel.
Full range of shooting and recording modes including RAW + JPEG
The PowerShot S90's RAW mode lets you shoot images without JPEG compression. It gives you clearer images and complete creative control in editing. RAW images are transferred directly to the computer where they can then be edited using image adjustment software or a processing application to adjust your images as you please. The camera can also be set to allow the simultaneous recording of both RAW and JPEG images while shooting.
Also, with 25 Shooting Modes including 17 Special Scene Modes, you're ready for whatever shot comes your way.
Large, 3.0-inch PureColor System LCD Large 3.0-inch PureColor System LCD
With a high resolution stemming 461,000 dots, a high contrast ratio and a wide viewing angle, the PowerShot S90 captures the more subtle variations of color in a scene to make all your images truer to the real thing. The LCD’s multiple coatings prevent visual interference from dust, scratches and reflection.
What's in the Box
- PowerShot S90 Body
- NB-6L Battery Pack
- Battery Charger CB-2LY
- Neck Strap WS-DC9
- Digital Camera Solution CD-ROM
- USB Interface Cable IFC-400PCU
- AV Cable AVC-DC400
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Customers like the quality, size, ease of use, and light performance of the digital camera. They mention that it produces very good images, the built quality is pretty good, and it's truly portable. Customers also appreciate the intuitive control ring and the easy access to manual controls. They also appreciate that the low light shots are unbelievably clear.
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Customers like the image quality of the digital camera. They say it produces very good images, and the low-light close up pictures are very impressive. The LCD is pretty detailed with good coloration, and it gives the photographer convenient manual control over image quality. The camera is responsive to live view and easy to carry, and is impressed with the low level light.
"...The S90 has the versatility of those cameras, but it is so sleek and easy to carry that I'm going to get many, many more pictures than I would with..." Read more
"...Extensive and easy to access manual adjustments.* Best image quality available for its class, especially low light - I hate using flash.*..." Read more
"...I've (gasp) dropped it onto concrete once. Still taking great pics!!! I really like the flexibility and the features...." Read more
"...I should say the low-light close up pictures are very impressive, at least compared with the other 2, and with ISO 800, there is not much grains,..." Read more
Customers like the quality of the digital camera. They say the built quality is pretty good, the lens is excellent, and the IS is excellent. The camera body is decent enough, and has a nice solid feel to it. It has many extra features not found on other cameras, and is ideal for museum pictures where you cannot use the flash. Customers also like the full manual control and the ability to shoot simultaneously in RAW and JPEG.
"...This camera is ideal for museum pictures where you cannot use the flash and the light is often low or minimal...." Read more
"...The quality is really good (even cranked up to ISO 800). It shoots well in low light...." Read more
"...great disappointment, the pros stop there, except that benefit, this sturdily and beautifully built camera (made in japan)with exhaustive features..." Read more
"...So convenient and compact and solid.The only thing lacking at this point for me is a smooth transition for the zoom lens...." Read more
Customers generally like the size of the digital camera. They say it's convenient, compact, and solid. Some say it fits snugly in their pocket. Overall, customers find the size to be a great feature of the product.
"What a delightful camera. It is very compact and yet has a full range of features that allow a photographer to experiment and refine the picture...." Read more
"...My main criteria:* Truly portable. Jeans or shirt pocket.* Something that will survive there...." Read more
"...So convenient and compact and solid.The only thing lacking at this point for me is a smooth transition for the zoom lens...." Read more
"...have pointed out, the range of features is remarkable in such a small, well-constructed camera, but there are several modest but significant..." Read more
Customers like the ease of use of the digital camera. They mention that the barrel is very useful and easy to control, and the one on the back is intuitive. The controls are well thought out and allow quick change of settings, which encourages creativity.
"...The best features, among many, are the control ring around the lens and another on the back that can be assigned various functions; this is just..." Read more
"...Extensive and easy to access manual adjustments.* Best image quality available for its class, especially low light - I hate using flash.*..." Read more
"...are nice, it's picture quality is great, and it truly gives you total control if you want it (Manual)...." Read more
"...light, but at ISO above 1000 the noise is overwhelming and requires major post-processing to get a final image that doesn't look like it was taken..." Read more
Customers are satisfied with the light performance of the camera. They mention that it is versatile, has good low light performance, and takes amazing indoor or outdoor shots with excellent color. They also appreciate the bright lens and the fact that it works great in bright sun or dark rooms.
"...steady enough inside to get the shot; but this camera is so good in low light that anyone can capture inside pictures without a flash...." Read more
"...The quality is really good (even cranked up to ISO 800). It shoots well in low light...." Read more
"...control ring, manual functions, scene pre-settings, overall low light performance, and ease of customization this little camera offers...." Read more
"...This camera takes in so much light it really seems like magic.The event I was documenting was in a very dimly lit room...." Read more
Customers like the ease of adjustability of the digital camera. They mention that the versatility and ability to make adjustments is fantastic. The auto modes as well as the flexibility to adjust advanced user settings, make it easy to change configurations and control the camera. The front ring is a wonder, allowing for very quick aperture adjustments. They say that the front RING allows for very fast aperture adjustments and simple manipulation in this mode can allow for very quickly adjustments. Customers are impressed with the low light performance, and ease of customization that this little camera offers. They also appreciate the ease and speed of customization, saying that it's a very portable camera with awesome adaptability.
"...items and galleries in very tight spaces, and the many manual adjustments helped compensate for different kinds of light and effects I sought...." Read more
"...The lens-mounted control ring is great. The camera has all the manual adjustments you could reasonably want using that ring, the rear wheel and the..." Read more
"...It does provide a wider range of post-editing options, however in my experience, the images still looked very much the same...." Read more
"...scene pre-settings, overall low light performance, and ease of customization this little camera offers. Even love the minimal black design of it...." Read more
Customers generally like the value of the camera. They say it's a great value for the money, worth its weight, size, and money. Some mention that the seller is helpful and honest about the product.
"...other hand, if you're looking for something very simple, small and/or low-cost, then this is not the camera for you.PREFACE:..." Read more
"...But if you're at all adaptable, this little gem is worth every penny...." Read more
"...It is certainly not a bad camera; it is just very over-priced and over-hyped...." Read more
"...With little over $300, this camera is a good value if you don't mind a few ergonomic issues. It provides a lot of potential for great shots." Read more
Customers are mixed about the shutter speed of the digital camera. Some mention that it's great in low light, the lens is a full stop faster than anything else out there, and the flash is very powerful for a camera this size. The IS performance is improved over my last Canon compact, and it' s quite handy for quick shooting. However, others say that there's a little shutter lag, the camera takes a long time to focus, and process an image, and that the control at the top is jerky and hard to control. The autofocus is still not perfect, but pretty close.
"...various functions; this is just brilliant--so easy to use and yet so powerful...." Read more
"...* Zoom may not be long enough for some. Instead it's wide and fast which I prefer overall...." Read more
"...most of your pictures will come out severely noisy, flat, blurry and unfocused...." Read more
"...But I finally got my RAW mode on a very compact camera with a good, fast lens and a larger image sensor...." Read more
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The best features, among many, are the control ring around the lens and another on the back that can be assigned various functions; this is just brilliant--so easy to use and yet so powerful. Others have mentioned accidentally shifting a setting because they touched the back ring by mistake; I have not had this experience at all and find the controls very nicely placed and spaced. That front ring is a wonder--so easy to make a quick adjustment to a picture.
The f/2 setting and the low light capabilities of this camera are stunning. I have used the flash once inside, and that just to see what it would do. Most of the time it isn't needed, and the natural light pictures are just beautiful. I've been using a Canon S2 IS for a few years, and before that I had a Canon AE-1 film camera. The S90's pictures remind me of the pictures I could capture with my old 35mm camera. Granted, the S90 isn't an SLR, but I didn't want the size and expense of one of those--I'd rather have the portability and simple power of this camera right now. The sensor on the S90 captures lovely photographs that confirm my decision with every picture I take.
I had been looking at the G-series when this camera came out. The S90 has the versatility of those cameras, but it is so sleek and easy to carry that I'm going to get many, many more pictures than I would with any other camera. Very highly recommended
edit: Just returned from a vacation that included several days in museums. This camera is ideal for museum pictures where you cannot use the flash and the light is often low or minimal. I got every shot I wanted, and the camera pleasantly surprised me with the images even in the most challenging of situations through glass cases and under very low light. I used to have to take pictures for my kids because they could not hold cameras steady enough inside to get the shot; but this camera is so good in low light that anyone can capture inside pictures without a flash. The wide lens helped me capture items and galleries in very tight spaces, and the many manual adjustments helped compensate for different kinds of light and effects I sought. And the camera fit in my pocket or shoulder bag, adding no weight during 12-hour days of walking. I love this camera.
* Truly portable. Jeans or shirt pocket.
* Something that will survive there. Molded metal, not token pressed metal covers or plastic.
* Extensive and easy to access manual adjustments.
* Best image quality available for its class, especially low light - I hate using flash.
* RAW capability.
Canon haven't released a new S since 2005 I think (the venerable S80), but it is back with a vengeance and the S90 presses all the above buttons. It is also a much more attractive beast than the older ones IMO - all-black, sleek, very minimalist. The anodized aluminum casing looks to be close to 1mm thick all round and should stand up to quite a lot of abuse. The lens and control ring are plastic but suitably thick and sturdy. I am stunned by its image quality particularly in low light; it doesn't come close to cameras with larger sensors and lenses but it is impressive for a camera this size. The lens-mounted control ring is great. The camera has all the manual adjustments you could reasonably want using that ring, the rear wheel and the shortcut button, and it can be set to run almost invisibly, e.g. no flash, AF assist lamp or beeps, great for candid shots. The optical image stabilization is a major boon, and I can't overstate the importance of raw - the best shots often happen for me spontaneously in the worst conditions and even the best JPEG encoder will chew a quick noisy shot to pieces and limit recovery options.
It does have a few downsides, mostly minor:
* The control wheel on the back is too easy to jog. It's only caught me a couple of times (knocking it to ISO3200 in broad daylight, oops) and I've learned to work around it by changing my grip, but it could be addressed in firmware - wheel lock on the shortcut button please! For the next iteration I'd prefer another dial under the mode dial instead though.
* The tiny lens has quite bad distortions and aberrations particularly at the wide end, but most of these can be dealt with in software. JPEGs are corrected well by the camera itself while RAWs are rightly left untouched. The included software will deal with RAWs but I use DxO/Lightroom, same flow as my SLR.
* The anodized metal coating started to scratch off within a few days of life in my pocket. I kind of like this "lived-in" look though, makes it look old and even less conspicuous. :)
* No HD video. This seems to be a must-have for some but wasn't an issue for me as I am primarily interested in stills. I don't think you can expect video worthy of HD out of something this small anyway - prosumer video cameras are way bigger and more expensive than this for a reason.
* Zoom may not be long enough for some. Instead it's wide and fast which I prefer overall. I wouldn't mind if they dropped it back further to 2.5x or so to gain elsewhere. By the way, you won't get strong depth of field effects from a lens/sensor this size, despite what the promo literature may say. For closeups of small subjects it's noticeable, but you're not going to see much background blur on portraits, say. Like most fast lenses you also need to stop it down a bit to hit its sharpness "sweet spot", f/2 is rather soft at the edges.
* The 3" screen is beautiful but I think it might be too big if anything - it does battery life no favors and makes it more vulnerable to damage. Mine also has slight backlight bleed along the top edge but this isn't noticeable most of the time. Shrinking the screen a little would free up rear space for extra controls.
* Battery life is an annoyance, bank on no more than 100 shots. I probably won't get a spare, it's just another thing to be carrying around which rather defeats the purpose, so I do need to remember to feed the thing frequently. Also, I don't know what the designers were thinking but the battery gauge gives virtually no warning when the camera's about to die - as soon as it drops from full to two bars you have very few shots left. I hope this is something Canon can fix in firmware because right now the gauge is close to useless.
Many of these are compromises made to get class-leading image quality out of a camera so small - all in all very impressed and no way could I give it fewer than 5 stars. It's been ready to pop out of my pocket constantly since I bought it.
Canon made the right choice here and with the G11 backing off from the "megapixel race". If anything they could go even lower - I got plenty of great shots out of my old Nikon D40 which was "only" 6MP. Sensor resolution was never a big issue there, and it's even less so on super-compacts with their tiny compromised optics. I'm interested to see how other manufacturers respond to Canon's raising the bar with this camera. Its excellent Sony CCD will surely show up elsewhere soon. Nikon in particular don't seem to have seriously tackled this area of the market yet - never been very impressed by their compacts - I hope this will wake them up.