With a new manager in place, many are expecting change, but how much change can we expect as fans? Remi Garde certainly put a smile – OK less of a frown – on the faces of the fans with a valuable point against Manchester City, but there have been changes before and sometimes the issues have felt further up the chain than the manager.
Dwight Yorke, speaking exclusively to 888sport.com has talked about the fact that the board are at fault and things must change. He said as part of a wider interview:
“The reality is that the board have to take the blame for the poor selection of managers they’ve brought in. They’ve gone for the wrong man and since Martin O’Neill we haven’t had the right person in there. We had Lambert but there was no substance from that period on. It’s been bad choices from the hierarchy at the club.”
“We’ve seen Forest and Leeds and they’ve gone down. Villa have been living on a knife-edge for the past four seasons and the writing has been on the wall. The good thing is the new manager now has 27 games. That’s a lot of games to turn things around and the new manager should be thinking ‘If I can’t get inspiration from that then that tells me something’.”
Read the full and frank interview – including Yorke’s thoughts on Wayne Rooney and Anthony Martial – here.
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Matt Turvey
Matt is the owner of, and chief writer for, Aston Villa Life. He is also a columnist for the Wolverhampton Express & Star, appearing in the Kick Off pullout on Saturdays and the Final Whistle pullout the Monday after Aston Villa play, as well as every Thursday as a blogger on their website. He has previously been featured as a writer on Football365 and Life's A Pitch, and was a regular pundit for Sports Tonight TV on Sky.Comments 34
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That’s a selective ‘we’, sometimes it applies to Untied and when he wants a job it applies to Villa.
No loyalty, no integrity, no class.
Bournemouth can get a couple of Billionaires but Villa can’t ? strange.
Steamer- maybe they like the seaside?
Right now the board by which I’m saying Fox, Riley and the German are proving that the new selection process which will include managers can turned up trumps. Tims stats were very good before this season too and may have swayed fox and all to take a chance. considering are predicament and not to mention there was no comp to pay a fair move, but they failed to see the bigger picture, It was a big risk.
Villa fans should sacrifice whatever they can get there hands on and thank the gods that Garde agreed before Moyes was sacked or the self serving media and football old boys club had their way.
posted this on the last post says it all
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/how-misplaced-xenophobia-still-damages-english-football?
Like Mark, I had put this up just before Matt’s new post:
Here’s a Steamer quote from earlier today:
“British managers have systems but not plans, Garde has more nous in his little finger than McCleish, Lamebert and TS put together.”
Now here’s a quote from a BBC article examining what went wrong with the Moyes tenure at Sociedad (I’ve bracketed the most relevant section with asterisks):
“But he is already facing criticism for failing to make sufficient effort to integrate after failing to properly learn the language or develop relationships within his club, **as well as claims that his tactical approach was not sophisticated enough in a league where team strategy is very important.**”
What do you think, did we dodge the proverbial bullet by not hiring Moyes?
Thank you Matt for bringing Dwight’s observations to the site .
There is a common thread : whether it is Scholes criticising VG , Stan Collymore berating the board and now Yorkie throwing in his ten p worth and that is vested interest .
Scholes just happens to be best mates and business partner with Giggs , heir apparent to the red management throne . What does Giggs think of the Scholes criticisms ? They don’t do his case any harm as he stands in the wings with dagger poised .
Stan’s offer of help and weekly column has been politely refused . Dwight shouted from the roof tops that he wanted the villa job . Nothing like a footballer scorned you may say .
But the “boys club ” Dwight complains of is the same one that he will use , that promoted an unqualified Tim Sherwood , and which played a part in getting Moyes the sack . it’s like complaining about pirated DVDs but taking advantage of the knock down price.
Mark’s article on xenophobia proves the point further .. Ppl like Lampard want to manage Chelsea but don’t want to get their hands dirty in the lower leagues . How is this better than employing foreign managers with experience . Is Dwight so passionate about managing that he would do his time in lower leagues or does he think he’s entitled to have a top premier league managers job just because Sherwood was lucky enough to land ones d be knows SAF
It’s early days of course , but from what we have seen of Remy, the way he conducts himself and the improved selection and performance on Sunday indicate the board just might have picked a gem. I initially wanted Moyes based on what he achieved at Everton. I admit I thought oh no Remi Garde -= Pepe Mel. But having read more about him and seen him in interview I am so happy that we have the right man. Not just for now but for the future.
David Moyes looks like a broken man – he would be coming to us on the back of two abject failures . This could be disastrous I feel sorry for the way he was treated by the Mancs but he would be better having a sabbatical . He doesn’t have the right energy to be jumping straight back into management .
Dwight is right in one sense , RL and his Directors have made some awful appointments . But that doesn’t mean that they haven’t come up trumps with this one . Remi has said he will have final say on transfers – he’s bringing in his own back room staff so between them all they can lay the foundations for a better future. For the first time we are embracing a football philosophy and style other than the bean counters “young hungry ” (aka buy cheap sell for more ) .
It’s been an awful four seasons for the fans , but it’s also been an unsettled and Unsatisfying time for the players . Yes they get paid handsomely but comtinually changing coaches and manager must impede their professional development too .
So I’d say to Stan and Dwight , the past mistakes don’t define the club . We are trying something new and we have to believe it can work if we are to change . It won’t happen over night but let’s not condemn this appointment just because the previous ones haven’t worked . That would be ludicrous .
It would be interesting to hear an insider account of recent villa boardroom decision making but what ‘seems’ to have happened is:
Sherwood was brought in to develop villa’s young players, based on his (self acclaimed) success at doing the same at Spurs
Sherwood signed up to the new policy of buying young and cheap, developing and then selling players when the price was right.
It would also have been made clear that Lerner (who now signs off all transfers) would not sanction a return to the MON policy of buying ‘experienced’ (old, expensive and hard to sell on) players.
Having signed up to this, Sherwood realised that he couldn’t live up to his own hype and felt the need to bring in ‘experienced’ players such as Adebayour and Townsend.
When his requests were turned down he started to use his mates in the media to spread stories about not having a say in the players who were brought in (despite having previously taken credit for the signings)
Lerner could not accept this (quite rightly) and sacked him
We now have a manager who has not only signed up to the board’s new strategy but has indeed successfully implemented A very similar policy at Lyon.
It’s far too soon to judge if the board have finally picked the right man, but thank goodness they do now seem to have a coherent strategy and maybe, just maybe they are on the verge of successfully implementing it.
If so, we’re in for exciting times
Yorke is a prat. He made his bed when he left us. I see videos of him being all Man U.
At Lyon they apparently identified that the most overpriced players are established strikers and they therefore set a ‘rule’ not to buy them. Instead they would develop young players, playing in other positions and turn them into strikers. The question is whether we have the time to apply such a policy at Villa or if this is a rule that will need to be broken in January in order for us to get the goals we’ll need this season to stay up.
VillaMD
Was at manure game when that arse yorke kissed the manc badge in front of us. And in Dublin l told him to fuck off away from me as l was there when he done it . The blokes a cnut and will always be one.
Jenny l got soaked sunday on way out of vp.think l got this bloody cold thats going round. Xxx
Robbo- we could just develop the ones we have they are more than halfway there
Many thanks Matt for your piece. Interesting how he never raise his issues with the board when he was demanding to be given the Villa job! Likewise Stan only had his rant after he lost his programme job!
Jenny thanks for another well thought through intelligent piece. You are spot on the boys club! Have heard/read a few members if the club saying that our result wasn’t a surprise and simply new manager effect! Funny last Friday they were all predicting city win. A classic boys club comment came from Richard Keys, who after playing down what Remi had done in less than a week, said he had spent the weekend with Tim who he described as still being bruised!! Poor luv I would take a few bruised for £2 m!
Mark, bearing in mind how Remi seems to like playing, Ayew seems the most likely candidate but I agree that Gabby may even have a role against teams that take a high line against us and leave space in behind.
Sinclair (Traore?) could be other candidates?
He’s likely to be trying them all out in training before he thinks about looking outside though.
Yorkes a stupid idiot. Hows he on tv i dont know. along with merson, they can hardly speak properly.
However growing up he was prob my fav player which is a shame.
I wanted moyes badly but kinda happy we dodged him now.
I think gabby is garbage but theres always a little hope he could be effective. Defenders would not like facing a fit and focused gabby. But saying that is he really that quick anymore? Bin him.
Id like to see 4231 develop
Guzan
Hutton Richards clarke Amavi
Gana Sanchez
Gill Vertout Grealish
Ayew
Hi all
Dwight and Coll;ymore are the most vocal but least loyal villa players – one cried outside dougs house to go too Man U and Stan choose to go to liverpoo at his peak rather than join the so called club of his dreams #
not sure if we got lucky with Garde or if the penny has finally dropped as to what kind of manager is needed at villa
As for boys – i was really scared that we would get him, as far as i am concerned he is a dinosaur manager just they big Sam and many others that were linked
on the down side 15mil for joe allen ? surely Garde is not interested as the press suggest – we don’t need two westwoods
as for Moyes – sorry
r0bb0 ssid:
“At Lyon they apparently identified that the most overpriced players are established strikers …”
Yes sir, and in our case that certainly would have applied to Mr. Darren Bent — sometimes that price tag is worth it, sometimes not.
wheres this 15mill for joe allen come from?! Jesus christ
Mamight Yorke, loved him for his goals and happy face back in the 90s, hate him for becoming an all consuming red, sure can’t deny they were more successful but his entire football history was re-written into found by Villa on tour, played a bit for them and then started his real football career in Old Trafford. Yorke would have been one of many talented players that never made it if it wasn’t for circumstance and it was Villa that made him not Manure.
Like Steamers75, I meet him in Dublin on the quays after he had just moved called him a traitor and as I was wearing my Villa top at the time I kissed the badge as I left him.
I’ve no issue with any ex-players giving their tuppence worth, they can at times reflect fan opinion and have greater access to media then we ever will so become a voice for us but sometimes it’s so self serving for those concerned with media careers that if they are not being quoted or appearing in the tabloids they become irrelevant and the media career slides and that’s when I switch off.
Anyway enough of the old boys, onwards to our own football revolution future. Lerner, back Garde in January.
Watched the citeh game back relaxed and at home, with the kids long asleep and some of the attacking play from us was very clever, just ran out of grunt in the final third against a solid citeh defence. Defensively a couple of lapses but now our players weren’t isolated, get past Amavi, say hello to Clark, same on the other side and Sanchez patrolling left to right in front of the back four, can wait for the next game and will even accept another solid point as we turn the corner of so many defeats.
UTV
Marmight duh
I think some of these pundits would be surprised just how close we are to having a really decent team, we have a young, vibrant squad full of talent that can only improve. We desperately need a lethal striker but we can get by with other so so positions. i’d say that if CB was still a Villan we’d be pushing for top 8.
I see that now Deila is under pressure at Celtic Lambert is chirping for the media. Unfortunately Celtic’s board are tighter than ours.
Joe Allen ? even the scousers think he’s crepe.
I’ve read that two of QPR’s leading gaffer candidates are Tim Sherwood and Paul Lambert … what is their board smoking???
Steamer
Said before if Lerner as opposed to Benteke had financed the additions, Benteke would be streets ahead in goals given the service he’d get, only an opinion that can’t be proved but he didn’t really get any service off Delph/Cleverly.
I’d welcome Benteke back tomorrow if Klopp wants to offload, worth asking the question in the January window to get him back on loan, if Garde doesn’t have other solutions.
Afternoon Lifers.
Once again it takes the wonderful contributors to AVL,to discuss and expose the elephant in the room………….no,the herd of elephants in the room.British managers are in the main rubbish.No amount of backslapping and sporting exenophobia can disguise this.It is sickening how the knives are out quickly for foreign coaches,yet when a British or Irish coach is in trouble he “must be given more time”.Why?When a ship is sinking do you just give the passengers a “bit more time” or do you go and help.Rednapp,Lineacre the biggest ball ache in Britain churn out their fake shock after a sacking on Twatter,and to any tabloid lackey that will listen.Sherwood was out of his depth yet they all rally around to support him and tut tut and express their dismay at his demise.Well Linacre and co,he was sacked because he was out of his depth and kept losing matches,yet somehow Villa are cruel and have high expectation.Well yes we bloody well do after 6 years of crap churned out by MON,McShambles,MacdONALD AND CO.They were all well paid and walked away with a nice chunk of ££,to the sound of artificial wailing and sympathy from their meeeedjjaahh buddies.
As I expressed last week I would have an Irish or Uk manager within 20 miles of BMH or VP if I had my way.Enough of tactical limitatioNs,buying over priced AVERAGE UK players and losers Moyes,`Arry and the rest can longe on a sofa and tell us how good the nearly were and how harshly they have been treated.I.for one will not be listening and never will.I am pleased with the choice of Garde,it may not work out,but it is step in the right direction as it breaks the habit of selecting British Tripe disguised as “real football men” “s great fella”and “the right man for the job”.
Cobblers,UK football hype RIP.
B6B great to hear your thoughts and i can’t argue the a word of your post
bless up
Biggest hint Garde might be a little bit better than someone riding the new manager syndrome train? we lost 3-1 to spurs with him watching, we were disorganised tripe and only perked up when Gil that non defending player came on. Next clue he dropped 6 of the players in that game, maybe they didn’t have enough new manager juice in them 🙂
Talk tripe are asking if Tony pullis is to outdated for the prem tonight? so on one hand we want British mangers on the other lets give them a kicking.
Garde talked about what a player needs to do and how to think and behave when going for goal, so it wouldn’t surprise me if he gets our misfiring forwards going, not in a Tim “put your arm around the lad way” but clear instruction of what is expected.
Not Happy then B6 ?
Remember your parents encouraging you to have a career in sport ? the problem now is finding one that isn’t totally corrupt and run by crims. Boxing has always had a criminal underbelly, Frankie Carbo, Blinky Palermo etc now we have Cycling, Athletics, Snooker, Football, Cricket, virtually all the mainstream sports are twisted and have been for years. The Olympics and other major events have been bought by the various cities and countries for decades. People who aren’t even sports folk are becoming multi-millionaires through stealing from the sports they profess to love, this country isn’t blameless either, we have as many crooks making fortunes as any other country, afraid the sporting ethic died years ago.
Steamer- the Steroid issue makes me laugh, these days women take them to get lean for the Beach.
I do not believe there are any Athletes who don’t do them at the top level, been around since the early sixties. The Russians developed theirs and the yanks followed suit. All this throwing money at testing is a waist of time. Those at the top of sport are driven to be the best and they will do whatever it takes, Blokes down our gym take them and they are not even competing Its a farce. I can imagine its rife in football.
That said you have to be pretty stupid to harm yourself with them unfortunately stupidity goes with the territory. Yet you can get paracetamol over the counter that will put you in the grave no problem.
I think its time they come clean and allow their use. Never get mentioned on worlds strongest man do they? You could inject them all day long but if you don’t train bog all happens. The illegality of pot is another joke, does very little harm compared to drink and is a potential cancer cure but can’t be patented so that’s out.
The club is as well run now as it has ever been under Lerner. Fox hasn’t put a foot wrong that I can see.
True we were shambolically run with Faulkner as CEO.
This is all bullshit from Yorke. As laughable as him wanting to be the manager.
Signings have been excellent business and our atrocitious start is down to appalling management from Sherwood which was continued by MacDonald
Steamer -Bournemouth can get a couple of Billionaires
Something isn’t right that we can’t get taken over. Second City, big club, good stadium with room for huge improvement.
We must have major debt or he’s asking for to much money
Frem-
I’m guessing Bournemouth are a much cheaper buy, and therefore a better investment. I’m sure RL’s asking price is hefty…not sure what all is in the price (ie, club valuation, future revenues, debt, etc.), but RL’s already written off a lot of money, can’t see him jumping at the chance to write off more. Probably better for him to hang on.
Same as with a house. If you have a lot into it, and the market’s down, you’re not necessarily going to sell unless you have to get out (can’t pay the mortgage). He may figure, let’s stay up, see how we can do in the league, get the TV money in the door. He’d sell in the meantime, but not for a cut-rate price.